The Grand Canyon

Lake spillover across the Kaibab arch is now the leading mainstream explanation for how the Colorado River got through — a mechanism creationists proposed first. But the canyon's width, its buried forested river valley, and the dated dung on its cave floors all rule out a canyon cut in weeks.

Draft:  August 2026

"The greatest of Grand Canyon's enigmas is the problem of how it was made.  This is the most volatile aspect of Grand Canyon geological studies." — Earle E. Spamer, quoted approvingly by Steven Austin1

"Two especially severe objections to any dam-breach theory are the absence of evidence for the antecedent lakes and the inability of lake sources to account for the simultaneous erosion of tributary canyons." — Michael Oard, Creation Research Society Quarterly, 20102

"It is notable that lake spillover would have established the route of the river, allowing the initiation of new fluvial incision, but catastrophic flooding during that process is not necessarily invoked as contributing substantially to canyon deepening." — He, Crow and colleagues, Science, 16 April 20263

Summary

The Grand Canyon is the flagship exhibit of young-earth geology.  It is on the cover of the books, it is where the rafting ministries take their tours, and it is the one place a visitor can see a mile of rock layers stacked up and ask how they got there.  This article takes it apart in four pieces: when the canyon was carved and by what, whether the Coconino Sandstone is a desert or an underwater deposit, what the nautiloid bed in the Redwall Limestone shows, and what the rest of the column does to a one-year Flood.

The headline finding is not the one either side expects.  In April 2026 a team led by the United States Geological Survey published detrital-zircon evidence in Science that the Colorado River was delivering sediment into a lake basin east of the canyon by 6.6 million years ago, and concluded that the river got through the Kaibab arch by lake spillover — a lake filling up and overtopping a barrier.3  That is, in outline, the mechanism Steven Austin has argued for since 1988 and which creationists have promoted for far longer.  It is now the leading mainstream explanation.  The article says so plainly, because it is true and because the reader deserves to hear it from a source that is not trying to sell it.

And then it says what the same paper says.  The authors add that "catastrophic flooding during that process is not necessarily invoked as contributing substantially to canyon deepening."3  Spillover set the river's route.  Ordinary river erosion over the following five and a half million years cut the canyon.  That single sentence is the whole dispute, and everything else in this article is a test of it.

The tests come out against a canyon cut in weeks.  Six of them are worth stating up front.

  1. The water is not enough, and a creationist did the arithmetic. Michael Oard points out that glacial Lake Missoula's roughly 2,200 cubic kilometres of water removed about 200 cubic kilometres of rock and loess from the Channeled Scablands — a water-to-rock ratio near ten to one. Austin's proposed lakes hold about 3,000 cubic miles and must remove about 1,000 cubic miles of rock, a ratio near three to one, over harder and less broken rock, and that is before the thousands of feet Austin says were stripped off the surrounding plateaus.41
  2. The lakes left nothing. Lake Bonneville, Lake Missoula, Lake Lahontan and Lake Manly all left shorelines, spits, bars, deltas and bottom sediments that are still visible. Lake Missoula lasted about eighty years and left one shoreline per year, still legible on the hillsides above the town of Missoula. Austin's Hopi and Canyonlands lakes are supposed to have stood for two to five centuries and are the same age. Austin concedes in print that "Sedimentary deposits have yet to prove the existence of Canyonlands Lake."1 Oard, Tim Clarey of the Institute for Creation Research, and Carol Hill all press the same point.25
  3. A real megaflood ran down this canyon and did not carve it. About 165,000 years ago a lava dam up to 366 metres high failed and released eleven cubic kilometres of water in 31 hours at 230,000 to 530,000 cubic metres per second — among the ten largest floods known in North America. It left boulder deposits along 32 kilometres of canyon. The reach it ran through has a lower long-term incision rate than the reach it did not.66
  4. The canyon is the wrong shape. J Harlen Bretz, who established catastrophic flooding against forty years of opposition, used one diagnostic to map where his flood had been: flood-scoured ground is "anastomosing or 'braided'", and unflooded ground has "the dendritic drainage pattern".77 The Grand Canyon is dendritic throughout, with side canyons graded to the trunk rather than hanging above it. Its width, 6 to 29 kilometres, comes from cliff retreat measured at 180 to 720 metres per million years from fourteen radiocarbon-dated packrat middens, a figure that needs no assumption a young-earth geologist rejects.89 In 4,500 years each wall moves about two metres, and each wall has to move at least 3,000.
  5. There is a forested river valley buried in the middle of the "Flood" layers. The Surprise Canyon Formation fills valleys cut up to 91 metres deep and 425 metres wide into the top of the Redwall Limestone, together with solution caves inside the Redwall itself. The fill contains Lepidodendron logs, twenty-two species of spores, mud cracks, burrows, stromatolites, and an estuarine flooding surface — plus a second erosion surface inside the fill and a third above it.101011
  6. The canyon's own contents are older than the canyon is allowed to be. Rampart Cave held a stratified blanket of ground-sloth dung whose radiocarbon ages climb from about 11,000 years at the surface to beyond 40,000 at 132 centimetres, measured at three separate laboratories, with a 33-centimetre packrat seam sandwiched in the middle.1213 Driftwood 44 metres up the wall of Marble Canyon dates to about 55,000 years by radiocarbon in two laboratories on two continents — and the sand burying it dates to the same figure by luminescence, which does not use carbon at all.1414

Where the creationists are right, and it is more than usual

This article gives away several arguments that people on its own side of the aisle usually defend, because the evidence goes the other way.

Coconino cross-bed dips really do average about 20°, not the angle of repose.  That number is John Whitmore's, from hundreds of measurements at named Arizona localities, and it is corroborated independently by Sarah Maithel's doctoral work published in Sedimentology.1516  Carol Hill and Stephen Moshier's uncited "29–31°" should not be repeated.17

Frosted sand grains do not prove wind, and it was a creationist team that showed it.  Whitmore's scanning-electron work found Coconino grains are too small to frost by collision and that the frosting is chemical overgrowth.18  That retires an argument the eolian side had been leaning on.

The sand-filled cracks at the base of the Coconino are injectites, not desiccation cracks.  Whitmore and Strom established this with original fieldwork at thirty sites under a Park Service permit, published in Sedimentary Geology, an ordinary Elsevier journal.19  It corrects Edwin McKee, whose own wording was a guess.

No Grand Canyon Paleozoic rock has ever been directly dated.  There are no datable ash beds in the Tapeats, Bright Angel, Muav, Temple Butte, Redwall, Supai, Hermit, Coconino, Toroweap or Kaibab.  Their ages come from detrital-zircon maximum depositional ages and from trilobite and conodont zones correlated to sections elsewhere.20  A creationist who says nobody has put a Coconino sample in a mass spectrometer is correct.

And more time is missing from the canyon than is preserved in it.  That is the National Park Service's own statement, not a creationist talking point: "Grand Canyon has one of the world's most complete geologic records, yet more time is missing … than preserved."20

What is genuinely unsettled

Three things in this article are live scientific arguments and are reported as such.  Whether the Coconino's dune-diagnostic lamination types are present or merely hard to identify.  Whether Grand Canyon incision has been steady or has come in pulses.  And whether the erosion below the Great Unconformity happened at 1250 million years, at 700 million, or at 600 to 500 million.  A reader should notice what those disputes have in common: not one of the competing positions is within four orders of magnitude of a one-year flood 4,500 years ago.

Verdict in one line

The canyon's route was probably set by a lake spilling over a barrier, which is a point for the catastrophists.  The canyon itself was not cut by that flood, and the strongest evidence against a young canyon is not the dating of the rock at all — it is the dung on the cave floors, the valleys buried in the walls, and the arithmetic of how wide the thing is.

Every source this article rests on is catalogued, with what it measured and which way it cuts, on a companion page: the literature.

What is actually there

The canyon is 446 kilometres long counting Marble Canyon, 6 to 29 kilometres from rim to rim, and up to about 1,800 metres deep.1  Nobody appears to have published a peer-reviewed figure for the volume of rock removed.  The number everyone repeats — about 1,000 cubic miles, or 4,000 cubic kilometres — traces back to a single sentence in Austin's 1994 book.1  It is probably about right: 446 kilometres of length, a mean rim-to-rim width near 16 kilometres, a mean depth near 1.2 kilometres and a V-shaped cross-section give roughly 4,300 cubic kilometres.  This article uses "of order 4,000 km³" and shows the calculation rather than pretending to a citation it does not have.

For scale, that is about one per cent of the rock the Colorado River system has removed from its catchment since about six million years ago — 3.4 ± 1.2 × 10⁵ cubic kilometres.21  The canyon is the conspicuous fraction of a far larger and far less photogenic denudation.

The layers

Thicknesses below are from the United States Geological Survey's 1:100,000 geologic map of the Grand Canyon quadrangle, which gives an east-to-west range for every unit.22  Ages are from the Park Service's own Telling Time at Grand Canyon report as updated in 2024, except the Cambrian, which follows Karlstrom and colleagues' 2020 recalibration, and the Precambrian igneous units, which follow Mohr and colleagues' 2024 uranium-lead work.202324

Unit Rock Thickness (m) Age (Ma) How the age was fixed
Kaibab Formation cherty fossiliferous limestone; gypsum above 106–187 270 biostratigraphy
Toroweap Formation limestone, dolomite, gypsum, sandstone 41–117 275 biostratigraphy
Coconino Sandstone cross-bedded quartz sandstone 45–154 280 biostratigraphy, bracketed
Hermit Formation red siltstone and sandstone 80–260 285 fossil plants
Supai Group (4 units) sandstone, siltstone, limestone 220–332 290–320 biostratigraphy; conodonts
Surprise Canyon Fm paleovalley and cave fill 0–45 325 biostratigraphy
Redwall Limestone (4 members) massive limestone, dolomite, chert 145–222 340 crinoids, bryozoa, molluscs
Temple Butte Formation dolomite filling channels 15–84 385 biostratigraphy
sub-Devonian unconformity ~100 Myr missing
Muav Formation limestone, dolomite, mudstone 107–183 502–499 trilobite biozones
Bright Angel Formation siltstone, shale, sandstone 107–150 507–502 trilobite biozones
Tapeats Sandstone sandstone and conglomerate 0–122 508–507 zircon, ≤508.19 ± 0.39 Ma
GREAT UNCONFORMITY 200 to 1,300 Myr missing
Chuar Group shale, dolomite; microfossils ~1,600–1,900 729–775 ash zircon 729 ± 1 Ma; Re-Os
Cardenas Basalt stacked lava flows ~300 1082.18 ± 1.25 zircon on the flow
Dox, Shinumo, Hakatai, Bass sandstone, shale, dolomite ~1,950 1,120–1,255 ash zircon 1,255 ± 2 Ma
Diabase sills olivine diabase 20 to >200 1098.16 ± 0.59 zircon on granophyre
GREAT NONCONFORMITY ~450–500 Myr missing
Vishnu, Brahma, Rama Schists schist, gneiss — ~1,750 zircon
Elves Chasm pluton tonalite — 1,840 ± 1 zircon; oldest rock in the canyon

Two facts jump out of that table, and both matter.

First, the flat layers everybody photographs are the thin part.  The horizontal Paleozoic stack — Tapeats to Kaibab, the famous layer cake — is 900 to 1,500 metres thick.  The tilted Grand Canyon Supergroup beneath it is about 3,600 metres.20  The Supergroup is two to four times thicker than the sequence above it, and on the young-earth reading every metre of it was deposited, buried, lithified, intruded by magma, tilted, faulted and planed flat before the Flood began.

Second, the bold entries are the only directly dated rock.  Everything in the Paleozoic column is dated by correlation.  This article says so up front rather than letting a reader discover it and feel misled.

Part one: when was the canyon carved?

The mainstream account, stated so that it can be argued with

The position is not "the Grand Canyon is five to six million years old."  Karlstrom and eleven colleagues, using apatite fission-track and helium thermochronology on paired samples from the canyon floor and the rim 1,500 metres above, concluded that the canyon is a composite of five segments of different ages.  Two of the middle segments are old: the Hurricane segment formed 70 to 50 million years ago and eastern Grand Canyon 25 to 15 million years ago, each carved to roughly half its modern depth.  The two end segments — Marble Canyon and the westernmost canyon — are young, cut within the past five to six million years.  What happened at five to six million years was the integration of a through-going Colorado River across all of them.25

The load-bearing datum is the Muddy Creek constraint.  A 25-million-year sequence of basin fill lies directly across the modern river's path at the canyon's mouth.  Numerous geologists have found in it only locally derived sediment and no trace of a far-travelled river.  More concretely, an alluvial fan bracketed between about 14 and 9 million years ago spread southwest out of the Grand Wash Cliffs at Pearce Canyon and crossed the modern river's path; its remnants sit on both banks today.25

Half of that is an argument from absence, and it should be held to the standard this article applies to Austin's lakes.  A lake that left no deposits is "speculation, not science" in Clarey's phrase.  A river that left no deposits deserves the same suspicion, and the old-canyon camp takes exactly that escape: "If an older canyon existed, it is possible that a smaller drainage basin in largely carbonate lithologies explains the absence of pre–6 Ma Colorado River clastics in the Grand Wash Trough."26  Carol Breed drew the symmetry decades ago, and Austin quotes her for it: the Bidahochi beds block an eastward ancestral river just as the Muddy Creek beds block a westward one, and "There is a notorious lack of pre-Muddy Creek Colorado River sediments in the west; there is a similar lack of proven pre-Bidahochi upper Colorado sediments in the east."1  Her eastern absence has since been filled — the 2026 zircon work found Colorado–Green River sand in the Bidahochi — which is a reminder that absences do get filled.  The western one has stood through sixty years of looking.

The other half of the constraint is not an absence.  The Pearce Canyon fan is a deposit physically lying where the river now runs, and no river ran through a fan while the fan was being built.  That part holds, and it is worth being exact about what it constrains: the order of events, not their length.  It says the river came after the fill.  Every creationist model says the same.  It is the mainstream's own weapon against the old-canyon camp — Karlstrom and colleagues write that a western canyon older than six million years "continues to be falsified by the Muddy Creek Formation"25 — and it does not, by itself, say anything against a young one.  The time in the fill is a separate argument, and it rests on the dated ashes that follow.

Three independent lines then place the river's arrival downstream.  The youngest ash in the Hualapai Limestone, a lake deposit in the closed basin at the canyon mouth, is 6 million years old.  An ash below the Bouse Formation is 5.6 million.  An ash within the Bouse correlates geochemically to the Lawlor Tuff, erupted near San Francisco Bay and dated at 4.83 million.27  The first Colorado River sand in the Salton Trough appears nine metres above the Miocene–Pliocene boundary, about 5.3 million years ago.28

The old-canyon claim, and what happened to it

In December 2012 Rebecca Flowers and Kenneth Farley published in Science that the western Grand Canyon "was excavated to within a few hundred meters of modern depths by ~70 million years ago."26  Their method was apatite helium-3/helium-4 step degassing, which maps where radiogenic helium sits inside a single crystal and so constrains the last part of the cooling path much more tightly than a bulk date.

Two things about that paper deserve to be said, and they point in opposite directions.

It was careful, and it validated its own machinery first on eastern-canyon samples with different uranium contents before applying it to the west.  And it stated its own headline limitation: the second western sample, GC863, had such extreme uranium-thorium zoning that its eleven helium spectra could not be modelled at all.  So the western result rests on the helium profile of one rock, sample CP06-69, plus bulk dates from four samples.26  A claim in Science that the Grand Canyon is seventy million years old hangs on one crystal population.  That is an honest observation and it cuts against the old-canyon camp.

Eleven authors replied in Science the following April with three technical objections: that grouping four samples spanning known faults into one "ensemble" assumes a shared cooling history the structure does not support; that the single-sample model conflicts with joint fission-track and helium inversions on nearby rocks, which put them at about a kilometre's burial between 40 and 25 million years ago; and that western samples sat in the helium partial-retention zone for more than 600 million years and may carry inherited helium from incomplete annealing.29

As of 2025 the argument has moved on rather than ended.  Lon Abbott's review in AGU Advances states the settled part — "the modern course of the Colorado River wasn't established until ∼5.3 Ma" — and then: "Despite over 150 years of research, the intertwined puzzles of canyon incision and plateau uplift remain unsolved."3030  The live dispute is no longer 70 million versus 6 million.  It is whether incision has been steady, requiring recent mantle-driven uplift, or whether a wave of erosion has been migrating upstream from the Grand Wash Cliffs since integration.

A creationist article that says "even secular geologists cannot agree how old the canyon is" is technically true and rhetorically misleading.  None of the competing mainstream models is younger than a million years, and every one of them accepts the 5.3-million-year integration date.

The rates that have been measured

Incision rates come from dated things at known heights above the river: basalt flows, travertine, terrace gravels, cave deposits.

Karlstrom and colleagues, reworking speleothem dates, report about 75 metres per million years over 3.87 million years in the western canyon and about 250 metres per million years in the east — the rate needed to cut the deepest part of eastern Grand Canyon, 1.6 kilometres, in six million years.31  They attribute the east-west difference to roughly 700 metres of block uplift across the Toroweap–Hurricane fault system.

But incision has not been steady, and the mainstream has measured the exception itself.  Abbott, Lundstrom and Traub dated travertine-cemented terrace fill at Hermit Creek by uranium-series and found an average of 519 metres per million years since 506,000 years ago, requiring 1 to 4 kilometres per million years between about 500 and 400 thousand years ago, followed by at least a fivefold decrease.9  They read that as a knickzone — an erosional wave — passing through.

Note what this does and does not do for a fast-carving case.  Four kilometres per million years is four millimetres a year.  Over a single year it is the thickness of a pencil line.  It is a dramatic pulse on geological terms and imperceptible on human ones.  But it is the mainstream's own demonstration that canyon incision comes in waves and that a base-level event downstream propagates upstream as a measurable pulse.  That legitimises the shape of a catastrophist argument while giving nothing at all to its timescale.

The hardest number: how the canyon got wide

Depth is the thing everyone photographs.  Width is the thing that is hard to explain.

The Grand Canyon is 6 to 29 kilometres from rim to rim.  A river cuts a slot.  The width comes from the cliffs falling back, over and over, as the slot deepens and the slopes fail.  That rate has been measured three ways over three wildly different windows:

  • 180 to 720 metres per million years over the last 13,000 years. Kenneth Cole and Larry Mayer ran a linear regression on 14 radiocarbon-dated Pleistocene packrat middens from caves in the Horseshoe Mesa Member of the Redwall Limestone. The slope is 0.45 metres per thousand radiocarbon years, and 180 to 720 is the 95 per cent confidence interval on that slope, not a spread of separate results;8
  • 600 to 800 metres per million years over the last 500,000 years, from uranium-series ages on the Redwall-Muav escarpment at river mile 96;9
  • 500 to 600 metres per million years over 19 million years, for the Kaibab cliff.9

The last two assume the mainstream timescale, and a reader who rejects it is entitled to set them aside.  The argument here rests on the packrat figure alone, because it needs nothing but 14 radiocarbon dates inside the last 13,000 years and a tape measure.

That figure was contested at once, in three Comments in Geology in 1983, and the strongest of them helps the creationist.  Haman showed that all 14 sites sit on cliff salients, where "the cliff retreat at embayments is four to five times more than salients," so the published figure is a floor and not a ceiling.8

Take that at full strength and the arithmetic still does not close.  Work it per wall, because a slot widening into a canyon retreats on both sides.  The canyon is 6,000 metres wide at its narrowest, so each wall has to move 3,000 metres, and 14,500 metres at the widest.  At 0.45 metres per thousand years, 4,500 years of retreat is 2 metres, short by a factor of 1,500 at the narrowest point.  Grant Haman his whole factor of five and it is 10 metres, short by 300.  Now also assume radiocarbon runs ten times fast inside this window, which is a larger correction than any young-earth calibration proposes, and it is 100 metres, still short by 30 at the narrowest point and 145 at the widest.

That is the honest size of the gap.  Not three orders of magnitude once the objections are granted, but not closeable by adjusting this rate either.  Only a different mechanism for the width would close it, and none has been proposed.

Any Flood model has to explain the canyon's width separately from its depth, and this is where it is most exposed.  A confined torrent can plausibly cut a deep slot in jointed rock.  The physics of why says it cannot also make a 16-kilometre-wide stepped valley in the same event:  spreading the same water across a wide front drops the shear stress below the threshold for moving anything.32

One honest caveat.  Scarp-retreat rates measured over short windows tend to come out faster than rates measured over long ones, and Abbott and colleagues say so.9  The convergence across three timescales is what makes the number robust, not any one of them.

The young-earth models, and the fact that there are three of them

There is no single creationist account of the Grand Canyon.  There are three, their authors have called each other's models fatally flawed in print, and the movement's two largest organisations now teach different things.  A reader is owed that map before anything is argued.

Who Model When On record against
Steven Austin (ICR, then independent) Post-Flood lake breach through the Kaibab Upwarp, initiated by piping "possibly hundreds of years after the Flood" Walt Brown, on priority and on spillover physics
Walt Brown (Center for Scientific Creation) Hydroplate breached dam; Grand Lake and Hopi Lake; the Kaibab rises during the event "several centuries after the flood"; carving "in weeks" Austin; Oard
Michael Oard (Creation Research Society) Late-Flood channelized runoff; no lakes at all; the canyon is a water gap inside the Flood year Austin and Brown, by name, repeatedly
Tim Clarey (ICR) Late-Flood runoff, following Oard inside the Flood year Austin — and his own institution's founding model
Snelling and Vail (Answers in Genesis) Hybrid: sheet erosion, then channelling, then dam breach "as the Flood year ended, or soon thereafter" nobody; explicitly conciliatory

Austin's model is the one the popular literature means by "the breached dam."  Blocking the canyon at the 5,700-foot contour would pond a lake of more than 30,000 square miles holding about 3,000 cubic miles of water across the saucer-shaped plateau.1  He names three: Hopi Lake in the Little Colorado drainage, Canyonlands Lake to the north, and Vernal Lake on the Green River.  Hopi Lake fails first, "probably by piping" beneath a low point in the Kaibab Upwarp near Grand Canyon Village; the underground channel enlarges, collapses, and cuts the notch.1  Austin's own reason for reaching for piping is a good one and it is worth crediting: surface flow would have gone around the upwarp, not through it.33

To his credit he lists in advance the four things his model predicts should be found: lake strata east of the canyon; geomorphic evidence of much larger past flows; relict landforms; and unusual Pliocene delta deposits near the Gulf of California.1  Stating your own predictions is a scientific virtue and this article gives him it.

Brown's model is where the familiar numbers come from.  It is Brown, not Austin, who writes that two post-Flood lakes "breached their boundaries and carved the Grand Canyon in weeks", and Brown who supplies the only discharge figure anywhere in the creationist literature: a waterfall "roughly thirteen times higher than Niagara Falls and, for a few weeks, discharged more than a hundred times more water each second than Niagara Falls."3434

Oard's model dispenses with the lakes entirely.  Sheet flow off the rising continents strips 6,000 to 10,000 feet of sediment from the Colorado Plateau — the "Great Denudation" — and then the same retreating floodwater channelizes and cuts the canyon westward, late in the Flood year.35  He treats the Grand Canyon as one of more than a thousand catalogued water gaps, places where a river crosses a ridge instead of going around it, and argues that no uniformitarian mechanism explains the class.36

The negative result nobody expected

In thirty years of publication Austin has never put a number on the hydraulics of the event he proposes.

Chapter five of Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe was read in full for this article.  It contains no duration for the carving, no discharge for the breach, and no eroded-rock volume for the flood.  The only cubic-feet-per-second figures in the chapter belong to the Glen Canyon Dam spillway releases of June 1983.  His 36-page 2020 defence of the model in Answers Research Journal gives no discharge, no water budget and no sediment budget either.37

That has consequences.  The 2020 paper does use the phrase "a few weeks" twice, once reporting Austin's own claim and once in Edmond Holroyd's cavitation proposal, so the timescale is on the record.37  What is not on the record is any number that would let the claim be checked:  how much water, moving how fast, for how long, removing how much rock.  The model cannot be tested on its own terms, because it has not stated them.

Austin's 2020 paper also makes two changes he does not announce.  The word is now "spillover," not "breached dam," and he lists Bob Scarborough, Norm Meek, Ron Dorn, Jon Spencer, Philip Pearthree, John Douglass, Kyle House and Todd Dallegge "within the evolutionist community" as fellow developers of the idea.  And: "Austin, like the other spillover advocates, does not invoke a separate lake in Utah as being a contributing cause to the initial breaching of Kaibab Upwarp."37  The two lakes for which there is no sediment have quietly receded from the argument.

The convergence, and exactly how far it goes

Here is the part of this article that a skeptical reader will least expect.

Lake spillover as a mechanism for cutting the Grand Canyon is not a creationist invention and never was.  Eliot Blackwelder floated it in 1934.  Norman Meek and John Douglass proposed it in detail in a Grand Canyon Association symposium volume in 2001, arguing from the Mojave River's Afton Canyon as an analogue: "we propose that a large lake spilled westward across the Kaibab Plateau, initiating Grand Canyon incision."38  They add the sentence a creationist will want to quote: "The rate of incision must have been very high."38

That model was then rejected at length by William Dickinson in 2013, on the ground that Hopi Lake was a shallow playa that never stood high enough to overtop the Kaibab–Coconino Plateau.27

And in April 2026 it came back.  He, Crow and colleagues dated 3,596 detrital zircon grains from nineteen sandstone samples in the Bidahochi basin, east of the arch, and found Colorado–Green River sediment arriving there by 6.6 million years ago — with an order-of-magnitude jump in deposition rate, a strontium-isotope shift, and the appearance of fish up to 75 centimetres long with the body shape of fast-water species.33  They answer Dickinson's elevation objection directly: the highest Bidahochi beach deposits sit at 2,250 metres against a reconstructed sill near 2,300 metres, a gap of about fifty metres, closable by the post-6-million-year uplift already documented.3  They rule out the alternatives one at a time — karst piracy, headward erosion, sapping — and conclude for spillover.3

They also note a lag: Colorado River material appears east of the arch at 6.6 million years and west of the Grand Wash Cliffs only after 5.6 million, "much greater than the ~±100,000 (2σ) errors on geochronologic constraints."3  Something held the river back east of the canyon for hundreds of thousands of years and then let it through.

This should be conceded without spin.  The specific mechanism creationists have argued for since the 1960s — a lake filling, overtopping a barrier, and breaching it — is now the leading mainstream explanation for how the Colorado River crossed the Kaibab arch.

And the same authors draw the line in the same paragraph.  Spillover "would have established the route of the river, allowing the initiation of new fluvial incision, but catastrophic flooding during that process is not necessarily invoked as contributing substantially to canyon deepening."3

So the remaining disagreement is not whether a lake spilled over.  It is how much rock the spillover itself removed.  The rest of this section tests that.

How fast a canyon can be cut, and what the Scablands show

The catastrophist is right about rate and wrong about scale.  Both halves are measured, and the first half has to come first.

Canyons can be cut in days.  In July 2002 a flood peaking at 1,461 cubic metres per second "moved metre-sized boulders, excavated ∼7 m of limestone and transformed a soil-mantled valley into a bedrock canyon in just ∼3 days" on the Guadalupe River in Texas.39  Michael Lamb and Mark Fonstad drew the conclusion that matters most here:  "inner channels, knickpoints and terraces are often formed slowly over geologic time … but in Canyon Lake Gorge and other megafloods they must have formed rapidly."39  Morphology does not date a landscape.  That is conceded here without reservation, and Steven Austin's observation at Mount St Helens, that a dendritic drainage network and amphitheatre-headed side canyons can form in a day, is correct.40

What makes the difference is joints, not flood size.  At Ricobayo in northwest Spain an unlined spillway cut about 100 metres down into unweathered granite at discharges of 80 to 1,500 cubic metres per second, and the authors found "no relationship with flood magnitude or bedload availability."41  Kelin Whipple and colleagues had already measured the controlling variable:  "joint spacing, fractures, and bedding planes exert the most direct control."42  Malad Gorge, Idaho, holds both rates in one basalt flow:  two amphitheatre heads cut by a single short flood, and a third with the Wood River in it retreating at 2.5 centimetres a year for at least 33,000 years.43  Rapid incision is a threshold property of jointed rock, and an ordinary river spends nearly all of its time below the threshold.

The Channeled Scabland is the best analogue anyone has, and its measured numbers are smaller than the retellings.  Peak discharge near the outlet exceeded 17 ± 3 million cubic metres per second.44  But the rhythmite counts give "at least 104, possibly 109 floods" over three to four thousand years, and a mass balance on the coulees gives about six canyon-cutting floods out of that hundred.4532  Every remeasurement since 2016 has made the floods smaller, by factors of 1.4 to 10, because the old method assumed the water filled the finished canyon.4647  And upper Grand Coulee, the largest canyon cut by the largest freshwater floods known, is 67.8 cubic kilometres of rock removed, about 1.7 per cent of the Grand Canyon.32

The measured cases, the threshold physics and the Scabland arithmetic are set out in a separate article:  how fast a canyon can be cut.

Six tests, and where the numbers come from

Test 1 — water against rock, using Austin's own two figures.  In the same chapter Austin gives the Missoula flood about 500 cubic miles of water removing "fifty cubic miles of sediment and bedrock" — a ratio near 10 : 1.  He gives his own lakes about 3,000 cubic miles of water and the canyon about 1,000 cubic miles of rock — a ratio near 3 : 1.11  His flood must therefore be about three times more erosive per unit of water than the Missoula flood, over layered sedimentary rock and Vishnu Schist rather than columnar-jointed basalt and loess, and it must additionally strip the "many times that volume" he says came off the surrounding plateaus.1

Oard runs the same test on Brown and gets a worse answer, and it is better coming from him:

"the total volume of rock eroded by sheet flow would be 8,500 km³ (2,000 mi³).  The volume of Brown's two lakes east of Grand Canyon was only about 12,000 km³ (2,930 mi³).  That is a little more than a cubic km of water to erode a cubic km of sediment, which seems like too little water, just to erode the 300 m (1,000 ft) of sediments before Grand Canyon was even carved!"4

Test 2 — discharge.  Brown's is the only figure in the literature: about a hundred times Niagara.  Niagara's flow over the falls is on the order of 2,400 cubic metres per second, so Brown's peak is roughly 240,000 m³/s sustained for a few weeks.  The Missoula floods peaked at 17 to 20 million m³/s.44  Brown's flood is therefore some seventy to eighty times smaller in peak discharge than the Missoula flood, and he asks it to cut a canyon about sixty times larger than the largest Scabland coulee.

Test 3 — the rock.  Every documented case of rapid bedrock incision cuts pre-jointed material.  Whipple, Hancock and Anderson surveyed ten rivers across a range of lithologies and found that "joint spacing, fractures, and bedding planes exert the most direct control", with plucking dominating "wherever rocks are well jointed on a submeter scale" and abrasion — orders of magnitude slower — taking over above about three to five metres of spacing.42  The Grand Canyon's Inner Gorge is more than 1,700 metres of Vishnu Schist and Zoroaster Granite.  Nobody has shown that a flood plucks Vishnu Schist.

Test 4 — the shape.  This is Bretz's own diagnostic, turned on the canyon.  He mapped where his flood had been by two criteria: scabland tracts are "anastomosing or 'braided'", and the ground the flood missed keeps "the dendritic drainage pattern, mature topography and loessial soil of the plateau."77  Set the two landscapes side by side and they are opposites.  The Scabland has anastomosing channels, dry cataracts, giant current ripples, streamlined loess islands, huge gravel bars and hanging tributaries.  The Grand Canyon has one integrated trunk, a dendritic tributary network graded to that trunk, entrenched meanders, cliff-and-slope walls that step according to the strength of each formation, and soil and vegetation right up to the rim.

The argument is not "dendritic means slow" — Austin's own Toutle River observation refutes that, and Lamb and Fonstad warn against it in Nature Geoscience.  The argument is narrower and stronger: the Scabland is the observed product of the largest freshwater floods known, and it does not look like the Grand Canyon.  A flood sixty times bigger should have left the marks the smaller one left.

Test 5 — the control experiment inside the canyon.  This is the cleanest evidence available, and it is not a model.

About 165,000 years ago the Hyaloclastite lava dam, up to 366 metres high, failed in the western Grand Canyon.  Fenton, Webb and Cerling used the outburst deposits as palaeostage indicators and modelled the failure: a maximum of 11 × 10⁹ cubic metres of water in 31 hours, peaking at 2.3 to 5.3 × 10⁵ m³/s.  That is "an order of magnitude greater than the largest known discharge on the Colorado River" and ranks "in the top ten largest floods in North America."6

What did it do?  It laid boulder deposits along 32 kilometres of canyon.  And:

"lower incision rates are reported … in western Grand Canyon relative to eastern Grand Canyon for the past 630,000 yr, the time during which lava dams periodically existed in the western canyon.  The difference in incision rates may reflect the ineffective erosive power of lava-dam outburst floods in western Grand Canyon, overloading of the river system with volcanic debris, or possibly Holocene alluvial fill."6

At least five dam-break megafloods have run down this canyon in the last 630,000 years.  The reach they traversed has a lower net incision rate than the reach they did not.  They deposited and locally scoured.  They did not carve a canyon.

Test 6 — the missing lakes.  Oard makes this argument better than any critic, and it should be quoted from him.

"There are no diagnostic bottom sediments, shorelines, raised deltas, or other geomorphological features at the proposed sites of the breached lakes, despite their common occurrence at the sites of other Ice Age lakes."2

His controls are exact.  Lake Missoula's shorelines are still legible on Mount Sentinel and Mount Jumbo, and its bottom rhythmites survived its own catastrophic emptying.2  Lake Bonneville's shorelines ring the Salt Lake basin.  Lake Manly's most prominent shoreline stands 300 feet above the floor of Death Valley.  Missoula lasted about eighty years and etched one shoreline per year; Hopi and Grand Lakes are supposed to have lasted two to five centuries and to be the same age.  He anticipates the "erosion removed them" reply and kills it with a citation: on Lake Missoula, "the shorelines seem just as numerous on the weak clay slopes north of the Missoula Valley as on extremely stable slopes of Belt rocks."2

On the Bidahochi Formation specifically, the one deposit Austin claims: "geologists think that only a small part of the formation was deposited by a lake and that this lake was only a small desert lake … Most of the formation is volcanic or laid down in moving water."  And the wrong-place problem: "there are no deposits in what would have been the deepest part of the lake—exactly where they would be most expected."2

Austin concedes the Utah lake outright — "Sedimentary deposits have yet to prove the existence of Canyonlands Lake"1 — and no deposit at all is claimed for Vernal Lake.  Tim Clarey, writing for the Institute for Creation Research that Austin helped build, puts it flatly: "Merely drawing in a vast lake based on today's topography, without strong evidence to back it, is speculation, not science."5

Oard's own objection, which cuts at everyone

Oard's second "fatal" problem is worth stating because it is a genuinely hard fact about the canyon.

Kanab Canyon and Havasu Canyon enter the Grand Canyon as gorges about 1.6 kilometres deep and 400 metres wide.  Their headwaters are 50 to 60 miles away, in separate drainage basins more than 100 miles apart.  And they descend to exactly the depth of the main canyon.  They are graded to it, not hanging above it.  Oard's inference: they must have been cut simultaneously with the trunk, which means the water had to be at the top of three widely separated basins at once.2

That is a real problem for a single dam-break.  It is also, note, a problem Heaton uses in the opposite direction: graded tributaries are the signature of an equilibrium drainage, the thing that flood-cut terrain does not have.

"In equilibrium drainages the tributaries, even washes that only rarely carry water, meet the river exactly at its level, and slopes are controlled primarily by the hardness of the rock units.  Is the configuration of the Grand Canyon in equilibrium or relectual?  Unquestionably it is the former."33

Both arguments cannot be right, and the article sets them side by side rather than picking the convenient one.  Oard's version has its own cost: he needs the tributaries' own tributaries cut in the same event, in dry headwater basins with tiny catchments.  Heaton's version has to reckon with Lamb and Fonstad's warning that morphology is a poor clock.  What survives both is the observation that the Grand Canyon's drainage is integrated and graded in a way no observed flood channel is.

And a difficulty for the mainstream, stated because it is real

Hill and Moshier, writing to refute young-earth geology, concede a mass-balance problem in their own camp:

"in contrast to the unsubstantiated incision rates used in these math calculations, actual measured incision rates are too low (not too high) to explain the carving of the entire Grand Canyon over the last 6 million years.  Thus, this 'missing mass' must be accounted for by either invoking earlier canyon-erosion episodes (such as a Laramide proto-Grand Canyon) or accelerated erosion rates over the last 6 million years."17

The mainstream answer is the composite-canyon model — older segments plus integration — which is exactly what Karlstrom's thermochronology later supplied.  But the concession is genuine and the article prints it.

Similarly, the debris balances only on the more generous of two readings of the crust.  Dorsey and Lazear match 3.4 ± 1.2 × 10⁵ cubic kilometres eroded from the plateau against 2.8 ± 0.6 × 10⁵ cubic kilometres of sediment in the Salton Trough and northern Gulf — but only if crust between 5 and 10–12 kilometres depth is counted as young metasedimentary rock.  On the conservative reading the figure is 1.55 ± 0.35 × 10⁵ and "There is no overlap."21  Their sediment-flux cross-check is impressive — 96 to 217 million tonnes per year averaged over 5.3 million years, against a pre-dam gauged rate at Yuma of 172 ± 64 — but they flag that their own reading of the historical gauge data is higher than the widely cited figure and say they cannot explain the discrepancy.21

What is inside the canyon

This is the line of evidence the creationist literature has not engaged at all.  That silence proves nothing by itself.  The evidence is strong for its own reasons, and it may be the strongest in the article.

Every young-earth model carves the canyon after the Flood.  So everything preserved inside it — every cave floor, every terrace, every rat's nest — must have got there within about the last 4,500 years.

Rampart Cave held the thickest and least disturbed deposit of Shasta ground-sloth dung known anywhere until a fire destroyed most of it in 1976.  Mead and Agenbroad published the sample list by depth, and it is the ordering that matters:12

Depth in deposit Material Radiocarbon age BP
surface sloth boluses (5 samples) 10,400 ± 275 to 11,090 ± 190
0–5 cm trampled dung 11,480 ± 200
46 cm sloth bolus 12,050 ± 400
61 cm sloth bolus 12,440 ± 300
67 cm sloth bolus 13,140 ± 320
99 cm sloth boluses 32,560 ± 730; 36,200 ± 6,000
132 cm sloth bolus >40,000

The laboratory prefixes are A- for Arizona, I- for Isotopes Incorporated and L- for Lamont-Doherty.  Three laboratories, one physical column of dung, one ordering.  And between the two dung units sits a 33-centimetre packrat seam of "perfectly preserved" twigs and plant fragments, separately dated to 24,000–14,000 years, which Long, Hansen and Martin read as an interval when the sloths were absent and later returned.13

One honest exception: mountain-goat pellets at 91 centimetres date younger than the sloth boluses at 99.  Different animal, possibly burrowed.  It is real scatter and the article does not hide it.  It does not disturb the sloth-on-sloth series.

Nor is this one cave.  Six named caves inside the canyon — Rampart, Muav, Vulture, Bida, Kaetan and Stanton's — give ages of tens of thousands of years on dung, horn sheath, bone, plant macrofossil and bat guano, and in every layered deposit the ages sort with depth.13

Stanton's Cave is the sharpest item, because a second clock agrees.  Its mouth is 44 metres above the river, in Marble Canyon.  Inside sit driftwood logs in bedded sand.  In 2025 Karlstrom and colleagues re-dated them: 55.25 ± 2.44 thousand years by radiocarbon on alpha-cellulose, run at the University of Waikato in New Zealand and at the University of New South Wales in Australia.  And the sand enclosing the wood gave 56.00 ± 6.39 thousand years by infrared stimulated luminescence — trapped charge in feldspar, a different physical process from the decay of carbon-14, measured in a different laboratory.1414

Two clocks built on different physics are not two clocks built on different premises, and the distinction should be drawn here rather than left for a critic.  Luminescence dates a grain by dividing the radiation it has absorbed by the dose rate from uranium, thorium and potassium decaying in the sediment around it.  So it assumes constant decay exactly as radiocarbon does.  It carries burdens of its own — a reconstructed dose rate, an estimated water history for the sediment, and signal loss in feldspar by anomalous fading — and that is why its error bar is four times the radiocarbon one.  But the shared premise is worth less to a young-earth reading than it looks.  The standard creationist correction to radiocarbon is a depleted carbon-14 atmosphere after the Flood, and that does nothing to a feldspar grain.  The other creationist correction is accelerated decay, and the RATE group places its episodes in creation week and the Flood year;48 the luminescence clock in this sand did not start until the grains were last in daylight, on a cave floor that every young-earth model dates after the Flood.  So each clock has to be wrong by a factor of twelve for a different reason, and the two errors have to land on the same number.

They rule out a Holocene flood by name and with numbers.  The largest gauged modern flood near Lees Ferry was 5,660 m³/s; the largest of the last several thousand years, from the geological record, was 8,500 m³/s and raised the river about 15 metres.  Floating logs into Stanton's Cave needs 283,000 m³/s.14  Their answer is not a bigger flood but a temporary landslide dam 22 river miles downstream that ponded the river.

Packrat middens are the quiet corroboration.  A midden is a rat's rubbish heap cemented by its own urine into something with "the consistency and mass of an unfired adobe brick", built from plants gathered within 30 to 50 metres of the den, and accumulated over a few years at most.49  It cannot form under water, it cannot form on a cliff that has not been cut, and it dissolves in rain.  Every dated midden in the canyon is therefore a note saying: this alcove existed, dry, at this elevation, on this date.  Vulture Cave holds fifteen of them, the oldest a juniper twig at 33,600 years.  Bida Cave's run from 14,500 to 5,725.  A synthesis of nine caves and fifty middens records a gradual shift from juniper woodland to desert scrub, completed 8,500 years ago — and Cole and Arundel found the Younger Dryas cold snap, dated independently in Greenland ice, in the plants an Arizona rat collected.1320

The archaeology is the youngest thing in these caves.  Split-twig figurines, 2,000 to 4,000 years old, sit above condor bones at 14,260, above mountain-goat dung from 17,300 to 10,870, above driftwood at 55,000.  Only the figurines fit inside a 4,500-year canyon.

The young-earth answer to that, and what it costs

There is one, it is specific, and it is about Rampart Cave by name.  Robert H. Brown, in the Creation Research Society Quarterly in 1992, derives a conversion from radiocarbon years to "real" years.  He puts the Flood at 5,350 years ago and the atmosphere's carbon-14 immediately afterwards at 1.1 per cent of the modern level, recovering exponentially with a scale of about 1,350 years.50  His table maps radiocarbon ages onto real ones:

Real years BP Radiocarbon years BP
3,000 3,050
4,000 4,430
5,000 10,060
5,300 23,290
5,350 42,780

His complaint about Rampart Cave is a fair one and should be granted first.  About 39,000 dung pellets accumulated between 40,000 and 20,000 radiocarbon years, which is 1.9 pellets a year.  That is a silly rate for a den.  Brown's conversion turns the interval into 77 real years and the rate into about 1.4 pellets a day, which is biologically sensible.50  He has spotted something genuinely odd about reading the raw numbers as a rate.

Four things the rescue then has to survive.

It puts the sloths inside a canyon its own side says had not been carved.  On Brown's table, 40,000 radiocarbon years converts to 5,348 real years, and the Flood is at 5,350.  So the bottom of the dung blanket was laid down two years after the Flood, in a dry cave 500 metres above sea level in the western Grand Canyon wall.  Every young-earth carving model needs the canyon cut after the Flood.  Brown has ground sloths denning in a finished cliff face while the canyon is still supposedly being excavated.  This is a collision between two creationist models, not an objection imported from outside.

The interval structure inverts.  Brown's mapping preserves ordering — deeper still maps to older, and that should be conceded.  But it is wildly non-linear.  Twenty thousand radiocarbon years near the bottom become 77 real years; twelve hundred radiocarbon years near the top (12,000 to 10,800) become 54 real years.  So a thin slice at the top of the deposit takes almost as long as the whole metres-thick lower section.  The physical deposit does not have that shape.

It has to compress an ordered, layered deposit into 77 years — lower dung, then a 33-centimetre packrat seam whose plant material is perfectly preserved and which was built during an interval when no sloths were present, then upper dung, then untrampled surface boluses.  And the deposit's seventy-two plant genera have to record the region's vegetation over less than a human lifetime.

It has to reprice clocks that do not use carbon.  This is where the rescue stops being about radiocarbon at all.  Inside this canyon:

Clock Physics Result
Infrared luminescence trapped charge in feldspar since last exposure to light 51.7 ± 9.5 and 59.6 ± 8.7 ka on the beds enclosing the driftwood
Optical luminescence trapped charge in quartz 64–71 ka on M3 terrace sand
Uranium-series ²³⁰Th/²³⁴U disequilibrium in calcite 119–385 ka on terrace travertine; 394–506 ka at Hermit Creek
Cosmogenic ¹⁰Be cosmic-ray production in exposed quartz 55 ± 12 ka on the M3 terrace

The luminescence result is the sharpest.  At river mile 35.5 the wood and the sand around it were dated in two countries by two laboratories on two physical principles, and they agree to within their errors.14  Brown's transformation compresses time by a factor of roughly 260 in that part of its range, and a 55,000-year date falls off the end of his table entirely, into the pre-Flood era.  Whatever number his scheme assigns the driftwood, it must assign the same number to the sand, through the physics of trapped charge in feldspar.  No creationist model has attempted this.

Brown also states his own limit and then exceeds it: "Use of Equation 8 for C-14 ages greater than 34,000 is highly questionable."50  He applies it to a 40,000-year date.

Two further things should be said for fairness.  Radiocarbon beyond 40,000 years is genuinely hard — 0.8 per cent of the original carbon-14 remains at 40,000 years and about 0.1 per cent at 55,000 — and the 2025 team had to extrapolate their calibration record beyond its data, and say so.  And searches of creation.com, Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research turned up no engagement at all with the Grand Canyon packrat middens, with Stanton's Cave, or with the luminescence and uranium-series dates on the canyon's terraces.  That is a real gap in the young-earth literature and it is fair to name it.

Part two: the Coconino Sandstone

Three hundred feet of clean white cross-bedded sandstone sit near the top of the canyon wall, covering about 32,000 square miles.51  Conventional geology reads it as wind-blown desert dunes, which is hard to fit inside a Flood year.  John Whitmore of Cedarville University has run the only sustained creationist field programme on it, thirty-plus outcrops under a Park Service permit and hundreds of thin sections, published in Sedimentary Geology and the Scottish Journal of Geology.  This is real fieldwork, and the argument with it is about data, not affiliation.

Two questions have to be kept apart.  Was the Coconino laid down by wind or under water?  And could it have formed inside a Flood year?  The first is a live scientific dispute with genuine creationist data in it.  The second is not.

On wind against water the weight is with wind, in a coastal dune field beside a shallow sea rather than an interior Sahara.  Creationists have won real points on the way there.  The dips really do average about 20°, not the angle of repose, and Carol Hill and Stephen Moshier's uncited "29-31 deg" should not be repeated.151617  Grain frosting is chemical overgrowth and does not prove wind.18  The sand-filled cracks at the base are injectites.19  Their mica result has no published answer.18  Against those stand Edwin McKee's five ripple criteria, from about fifty measured sets, four of which the creationist literature has never addressed;51 his experiments in which only dry uphill sand reproduced the Coconino tracks;5151 Sarah Maithel's own peer-reviewed finding that the cross-beds look like grainflow and grainfall but are hard to tell apart;16 and an ichnological revision that reads Leonard Brand's underwater trackway anomalies as toes sliding downslope on a dry foreset, and recovers the right fauna when applied blind.5252

The Flood question is settled separately, by arithmetic.  Timothy Helble granted flood geology ten times its own sediment transport rate, ran it over the twelve days Austin's own accounting allows, and got 26 cubic kilometres of sand delivered against 42,000 required:  about one part in 1,600.53  The published creationist reply concedes it.  Whitmore and Garner in 2025:  "Helble is correct that the processes he outlines could not have formed the Coconino during the Flood, but the Flood model requires extrapolations beyond conditions that prevail in the present-day."54  Their own 2018 paper says "There are no modern analogs that match the precise sedimentology of the Coconino."55  The subaqueous Coconino has no observed analogue and no quantified mechanism.

Whitmore's eleven points and Brand's trackway experiments are taken one at a time in a separate article:  the Coconino Sandstone.

Part three: the nautiloid bed

Near the bottom of the Redwall Limestone there is a bed about two metres thick with big straight-shelled nautiloids lying in it.  Steven Austin surveyed it at more than sixty localities, named it the Whitmore Nautiloid Bed, and argued that one fast, sediment-choked underwater flow buried the animals across the region in hours.56  Answers in Genesis lists the result among the best evidences for Noah's Flood.57

The bed is real and so is the fieldwork.  Austin observed over a thousand nautiloid fossils, measured 403 shells and recorded 337 orientations.56  His evidence for a single rapid event is coherent:  inverse grading in the lower half of the bed, coral heads over 20 centimetres across held up in mid-bed, fluid-escape pipe structures, and shells standing apex-down with none apex-up.56  Carol Hill and Stephen Moshier, his sharpest published critics, concede it may be "some kind of debris-flow-type deposit."17

Three things do not survive checking.  "Billions" is one multiplication:  1.5 × 10¹⁰ square metres of platform facies times a density "approaching 1 fossil per m2."[austin-2003:billions]  The only raw count in the paper with a measured area is eighty shells on 320 square metres at Nautiloid Canyon, which is 0.25 per square metre, and the higher figure comes from where "the exposure is optimum."56  The area quoted in ministry literature is doubled, because "10,500 square miles" folds in the slope facies, and Austin says twice that nautiloids are rare or absent there.5657  And the technical paper never mentions Noah, Genesis or a global flood.  Austin sets the bed alongside mainstream event beds he accepts as real, such as the Alamo Breccia.56

The test that would settle slow against fast has never been run by anyone.  A dense bed of aligned orthocones can be one burial event, or a condensed shell lag built up over a long interval of almost no sedimentation.  The discriminators are standard:  hardgrounds, borings, encrustation, geopetal fills, bioturbation and mixed preservation states.  Austin reports none of them in either direction, and no mainstream sedimentologist has published a re-examination of the outcrop.  This article does not say the nautiloid claim has been refuted.  It has been ignored.

Even at Austin's own valuation the bed is a large local debris flow, not a global Flood.  Three members higher in the same limestone are forested river valleys cut up to 91 metres into its top surface, which is where the next part starts.

The full argument, including the Swedish orthocone beds that look the same and took millions of years, is a separate article:  the Redwall nautiloid bed.

Part four: the rest of the column

The buried river valley three formations above the nautiloids

If one item in this article decides the question, it is the Surprise Canyon Formation.

It fills valleys cut down through the Horseshoe Mesa Member and into the upper Mooney Falls Member of the Redwall Limestone.  The United States Geological Survey named it in 1985 and measured it.  The valleys "average about 300 m in width and 75 m in depth in the western Grand Canyon"; the thickest section is 122 metres at Quartermaster Canyon.10  Individual measured paleovalleys run from 92 metres wide and 25 metres deep at Travertine Canyon to 425 metres wide and 89 metres deep at Burnt Springs Canyon.11

What is in them:

  • a basal fluvial conglomerate of chert pebbles and cobbles "that range in diameter from 0.6 to 12.7 cm", plus Redwall boulders up to a metre, and at the type section "a few huge blocks of Redwall as much as 3 m in diameter" — the chert derived from dissolving the Redwall itself;
  • land plants: "Lepidodendron logs and palynomorphs (spores) indicative of Upper Mississippian strata are locally abundant. From the Granite Park section, 22 palynomorph species were identified";
  • the survey's plain reading: "Fossil plant materials in the basal units indicate that vegetation grew along the stream valleys and perhaps elsewhere on the limestone surface adjacent to the valleys";
  • mud cracks and horizontal burrows in the siltstones;
  • stromatolites in the upper limestone;
  • an estuarine flooding: "a period of subsidence allowed marine waters to gradually flood the eroded valleys forming local estuaries";
  • an erosional unconformity inside the fill, and a further period of erosion above it before the Watahomigi Formation.1011

And the same sediment fills solution caves inside the Redwall.10

Set that against the Flood stratigraphy, where the Redwall and the Supai Group are both Flood deposits laid down within days or weeks of each other.  Between them sits a limestone surface dissolved into karst, a drainage network of valleys 90 metres deep, trees growing in those valleys, twenty-two species of spores, mud cracks, burrows, stromatolites, an estuarine transgression from the west, an unconformity inside the fill, and another erosion surface above it.  Every one of those requires the surface to be out of the water and to stay there.  Sea level cannot fall ninety metres, support a forested river system, and rise again, in the middle of a rising global flood.

The creationist reply reinterprets the karst as rapid hydrothermal dissolution rather than slow meteoric dissolution.  That is a real proposal.  It says nothing whatever about how a forest grew there.

The Hermit's sun-cracks, at the very contact used to prove no time passed

John Morris uses the Hermit–Coconino contact to argue that no time passed: "The existence of the sharp, knife-edge contact between these two beds argues against the passage of long periods of time."17

David White described that same contact in a Carnegie Institution monograph in 1929:

"Irregular fissures or 'sun-cracks' reaching a maximum width of over 15 inches and extending downward to depths of 25 feet or more into the red rock material of the Hermit may be seen on the west side of the Bright Angel trail … They were filled with the inswept light-colored Coconino sand, now cemented by silica so as to form quartzite."58

And, decisively:

"That the fissures once stood open before the outspread of the Coconino sand is shown by 'inclusions' or infallen pieces of red shale, caught in the light-colored sand in the deep cracks.  The irregular branching of the fissures in different directions horizontally and their distribution in the Canyon seems to preclude their explanation by earthquake."58

Desiccation cracks fifteen inches wide and twenty-five feet deep, standing open long enough for pieces of their own walls to fall in, then filled by the first Coconino sand — and the author considered a seismic origin and rejected it on the geometry.  That is subaerial drying at the top of the Hermit, immediately below the Coconino, in the middle of the supposed Flood sequence.

The creationist literature does answer this, and the answer has to be argued rather than ignored.  Austin wrote in 1994 that the top of the Hermit "contains elongated cracks (clastic dikes) filled with white Coconino Sandstone" and that "the uppermost Hermit was not lithified, when deposition of the Coconino began."1  Whitmore repeated it in 2019:  "the Hermit lacks the appropriate clays for them to be desiccation cracks and the sand-filled cracks have features of sand injectites, not desiccation cracks."15  That rests on Whitmore and Strom's 2010 fieldwork, which this site accepts for the cracks they studied;  see the injectite section of the Coconino article.  What neither Austin nor Whitmore addresses is White's two observations:  "infallen pieces of red shale" caught inside the fill, and a branching plan view.  A fissure that opened at the surface and was filled from above leaves both.  A dike injected from below leaves neither.  Whether White's 1929 fissures on the Bright Angel trail are the same features Whitmore and Strom sampled has not been established by anyone, and until it is, the sun-cracks stand as White described them, with the creationist reply on record.

The flat gaps, conceded and then answered

This argument deserves to be stated at full strength, because it is the best one in the creationist column literature.

Ariel Roth:

"Geologists who believe in long evolutionary time assume that the reason for a flat gap is that there has been no deposition of sediments over a flat region for many millions of years.  On the other hand, if there is no deposition, erosion and weathering will be expected, and erosion tends to be highly irregular … In spite of their proposed long ages of formation, the flat gaps show very little or no weathering or erosion of the underlying layers."59

And his quantitative version: at the Muav–Redwall contact both the Ordovician and Silurian are missing, "yet the contact is nearly flat.  Average continental rates of erosion during that time would be expected to erode down through two miles, which is twice the depth of the Grand Canyon."59

The strongest form of the point is not from a creationist at all.  It is McKee's, in a Geological Survey professional paper:

"A pre-Mississippian unconformity is represented by a flat, even surface between dolomite units of Devonian (locally Cambrian) age and Mississippian age in eastern Grand Canyon, but in many places it is obscure … Nowhere is there evidence of large uplift that would cause marked dissection of the region."60

A hundred million years of missing section, in places marked by nothing a field geologist can point at.  That is a real problem honestly stated by the mainstream's own authority.

Four things answer it.

The canyon's flagship flat gap is not flat, and the USGS map says so.  The Temple Butte Formation fills "channels eroded into the underlying Cambrian strata; channels are as much as 100 ft (30 m) deep in eastern half of map area."22  Noble mapped them along a 28-mile stretch of canyon wall.  Snelling's own article concedes "there is often good evidence of erosion, such as gullies and stream channels at the boundary between the Temple Butte and the Muav" and rests the argument on the "rare exceptions" — in practice, one locality on the North Kaibab Trail where the Temple Butte happens to be absent.61  Even the base of the Redwall carries two to three metres of erosional relief.

The most-cited flat surface in the canyon is a karst landscape with caves in it — the top of the Redwall, filled by the Surprise Canyon Formation.22

Roth's two miles applies continental denudation rates where they do not apply.  Modern rates are measured on uplifted, vegetated continents with kilometres of relief.  The Cambrian–Devonian Grand Canyon region was a low-relief, pre-vegetated cratonic platform at or near sea level.  "Given the overall low-relief topography … in combination with sea-level fluctuations, the presence of unconformities within the succession is expected."62  Land at sea level does not erode downward much at all.  McKee's own explanation for the flatness is in his own sentence: nowhere is there evidence of large uplift, and no uplift means no dissection.

And the missing systems are not missing regionally — they are thick 250 kilometres west.  At the Nevada Test Site the same interval holds roughly 3,400 feet of Ordovician and 1,415 feet of Silurian–Devonian carbonate.63  The Ordovician and Silurian seas existed.  They simply did not deposit, or did not preserve, on the emergent low-relief craton at the canyon's position, while the subsiding margin to the west accumulated a kilometre of section.  A paraconformity is not "no time."  It is the starved edge of a basin whose middle is thick and continuously fossiliferous.

The honest answer to a flat gap is usually non-deposition, not erosion, and it is testable: the missing biozones are missing everywhere across the platform, which is what a regional sea-level change predicts and a local scour does not.

The Supergroup, and the eight things that have to happen before the Flood

Most modern Flood geologists put the pre-Flood boundary at or near the Great Unconformity, which places the whole Grand Canyon Supergroup in the pre-Flood world.  That is the strongest available position, and the article states it that way.  It then owes the following, all before the Flood begins:

  1. Deposit about 3,600 metres of sediment — dolomite with stromatolites, red mudstone with mud cracks and ripple marks, quartz sand, shale.
  2. Lithify it hard enough to stand as a 200-metre sea cliff. Cambrian islands of Shinumo Sandstone stuck up through the Tapeats sea with "up to 200 m of relief" and were not buried until Bright Angel time.23
  3. Intrude it with sills over 200 metres thick and erupt 300 metres of lava on top.
  4. Bake the wall rock to hornfels — a contact-metamorphic rock, and it is RATE's own paper that reports "hornfels wall-rock" above the Bass Rapids sill.64
  5. Fault it, leaving slickensides, gouge and breccia — all hard-rock features.17
  6. Tilt the whole pile and produce at least three angular unconformities within and below it.
  7. Bevel it flat across 500 kilometres, and shed its zircons into the Tapeats: the Cambrian sandstone carries a 1.1-billion-year detrital-zircon peak "that reflect[s] unroofing of older Precambrian basement and the Grand Canyon Supergroup."23
  8. Grow a microfossil biota in the intervening seas — vase-shaped microfossils, the earliest testate amoebae, preserved with original organic test material.65

Hill and Moshier put the dilemma to fellow Christians:

"The Unkar and Chuar Groups … consist of almost 12,000 ft (3600 m) of sedimentary rock—hardly an insignificant amount of rock to have accumulated between the time of Adam … and Noah's Flood."17

And the dating in that interval cross-checks itself.  In a thirty-metre stratigraphic slice of the Chuar Group, four determinations by three decay systems on three materials — uranium-lead on ash zircon at 729.0 ± 0.9 million years, rhenium-osmium on organic carbonate at 757.0 ± 6.8 and on marcasite at 751.0 ± 7.6, argon-argon on marcasite at 764 ± 8 — all land between 729 and 764 million years, in the correct stratigraphic order.66

The Great Unconformity is three surfaces, and the time missing varies sixfold

The Park Service distinguishes the Great Nonconformity (Supergroup on basement, up to 500 million years), the Great Angular Unconformity (Paleozoic on tilted Supergroup, up to 750 million), and Powell's original Great Unconformity where Paleozoic rests directly on basement, about 1.2 billion.20

And along a single canyon "the sub-Tonto Group unconformity has between 200 and 1300 Ma of time 'missing'."67  A factor of six.  A single catastrophic scouring event produces one surface with one age relation.  What is actually there varies in exactly the way several separate erosion episodes cutting to different structural levels in different fault blocks would produce.  Karlstrom and Timmons titled their chapter on it: "Many unconformities make one 'Great Unconformity'."

The origin of that erosion is genuinely disputed.  One camp attributes 3 to 5 vertical kilometres of it to Snowball Earth glaciation; another finds the erosion in Colorado happened before the first Neoproterozoic glaciation and concludes that "multiple Great Unconformities developed diachronously and represent regional tectonic features rather than a synchronous global phenomenon."6869  Two teams have called each other's models geologically impossible in the pages of Geology.70

A creationist reader will see that and conclude nobody knows anything.  That is the wrong inference and the article heads it off: they differ over whether the basement lost its cover at 1250 million years, at 700 million, or at 600 to 500 million.  No one's range comes within four orders of magnitude of a one-year flood.

The Sauk transgression: the three-layer package is not one moment

Flood geology reads Tapeats, Bright Angel and Muav as one event — sand, then mud, then lime, dumped in order as one rising water body sorted its load.  The mainstream reads them as three environments migrating across the continent as sea level rose.

That is testable and it has been tested.  Trilobites of the Glossopleura walcotti zone, about 505 million years old, "occur high in the Bright Angel Formation to the west and lower in the east" — the same time plane cuts upward through the formation as you go west.23  McKee and Resser noticed it in 1945 and the 2020 work confirmed it.  The Bright Angel is not a time plane; it is a rock body whose base gets younger eastward.

The 2024 synthesis goes further: at least five stratigraphic sequences with three internal disconformities, identified "on the basis of missing biozone intervals, erosional features, and facies changes", one of them "locally incised with a relief of >1.5 m."62  And the implied deposition rate, forced by two uranium-lead ages 45 metres apart plus the trilobite zones between them, is 50 metres per million years — five centimetres per thousand years.23

The Flood model's own implied rate, computed from Snelling's numbers by two retired geologists, is 0.5 to 1.4 metres per hour.71  The two figures differ by about eight orders of magnitude.

Radiometric dating in the canyon, and what happened to the RATE argument

Two RATE papers rest on Grand Canyon rock.  Austin and Snelling reported a "fourteen-point K-Ar isochron 'age' of 516 ± 30 Ma" for the Cardenas Basalt and associated diabase, strongly discordant with a published rubidium-strontium age near 1.07 billion.72  Snelling, Austin and Hoesch then reported five discordant isochrons for the Bass Rapids diabase sill, ranging from 841.5 ± 164 million (potassium-argon) to 1375 ± 170 million (samarium-neodymium), and concluded that "only changing radioisotope decay rates in the past could account for these discordant isochron 'ages'."64

Both papers assume the sills and the Cardenas Basalt are one magmatic event whose isotopes were homogenised at one moment.

In 2024 that assumption was measured and found false — with a caveat that belongs first.  Mohr and colleagues, using chemical-abrasion isotope-dilution uranium-lead on zircon, dated a sill intruding the Bass and Hakatai at Bass Canyon — river mile 107 — at 1098.16 ± 0.59 Ma, and a Cardenas Basalt flow at 1082.18 ± 1.25 Ma.  Sixteen million years apart.  Their own statement:

"Previously, sills in the Grand Canyon were considered coeval feeders of the Cardenas Basalt.  Our new ages indicate that sills intruding the Bass and Hakatai Formations in western Grand Canyon were emplaced at ca. 1098 Ma, while the Cardenas Basalt erupted at ca. 1083 Ma."24

The caveat: answering RATE with a uranium-lead date assumes the method RATE disputes.  A reader who thinks decay rates changed will not be moved by a zircon age, however precise, and this article does not ask them to be.  The argument that follows is built from what does not depend on it.

The neodymium isotopes do not depend on it.  They are measured compositions, not ages, and they had said so for decades: sills run at +3 to +5, the Cardenas at +0.5 to +2, and no decay rate turns one into the other.  A line fitted through a suite spanning two magmatic episodes and two mantle sources is a mixing line, not a chronometer, whatever the decay constants did.

And two of RATE's own five Bass Rapids isochrons contain the modern zircon age inside their own stated two-sigma bounds.  The rubidium-strontium whole-rock isochron at 1055 ± 46 reaches 1101; the mineral isochron at 1059 ± 48 reaches 1107.  Both bracket 1098.16 ± 0.59.  And those two are the ones RATE itself singles out as the best-behaved systems.

The remaining discordances have ordinary causes.  RATE's own sample descriptions record neighbouring potassium-argon samples two metres apart giving 866 ± 24 and 728 ± 20 million years — a 138-million-year spread over two metres.  No change in a decay constant varies over two metres; sample-scale argon loss from altered rock does.  Samarium-neodymium in a mafic sill has very little parent-daughter spread, so the regression is error-dominated, and RATE's own ±170 million is twelve per cent of the age.  Lead-lead across a suite that includes late-stage granophyre segregations, which can scavenge crustal lead, is not a closed system.

RATE's strongest point is the pattern, and it should be met rather than skipped.  The five isochrons sort in the order accelerated decay would predict: the two beta-family systems read youngest, the two alpha systems oldest, and within each pair the longer half-life reads older.  Snelling, Austin and Hoesch say so: the data "are consistent with alpha decay having been accelerated more than beta decay, and with the longer the present half-life the greater being the acceleration factor."64  Four points in the predicted order is not nothing.  But the same order is what open-system behaviour produces in a mafic sill — potassium-argon loses argon and reads young, lead-lead picks up crustal lead from the granophyre and reads old — and the two explanations can be told apart.  Accelerated decay is a property of nuclei, so the same ordering has to appear in every rock.  Open-system loss is a property of the rock, so it need not.  The test sits in the same canyon.  In the Chuar Group, an alpha system, uranium-lead on an ash at the top of the Walcott Member, gives 729 million years; two beta-family systems, rhenium-osmium and argon-argon on marcasite in the Awatubi Member beneath it, give 751 to 764 million.  If alpha decay had run ahead of beta decay by the eighteen to thirty per cent the Bass Rapids spread implies, the uranium-lead age should read older than the beta ages, not younger, and the three would be out of stratigraphic order.  They are in it.66

And Randy Isaac's general reply stands:

"Discordances are not at all unusual and the source of discordance is not always understood but these fail to invalidate the vast amount of concordance.  Furthermore, no argument is presented why differences of 15% would justify the claim that radioisotope dating is in error by a factor of one million or more."73

RATE's Grand Canyon discordances are of order ten to thirty per cent.  The young-earth claim requires an error of order one hundred million per cent.

Three honest notes.  No published technical rebuttal aimed specifically at the Bass Rapids paper appears to exist — Kevin Henke's critiques target other things, and this article does not attribute one to him.  Mohr and colleagues' zircon date is not a rebuttal at all, and it is not the decisive point either, because it uses the method under dispute; the decisive points are the neodymium mixing line, the two-metre argon spread and the Chuar ordering test, none of which needs the uranium-lead age to be right.  And dates do get revised: the Cardenas Basalt moved from 1,104 ± 2 to 1,082.18 ± 1.25 million years in three years, the Chuar ash from 742 ± 6 to 729.0 ± 0.9, and the Sixtymile Formation from Precambrian to Cambrian.  That is self-correction, and the size of the correction is two per cent.

Objections and responses

"Canyons have been cut in days.  Canyon Lake Gorge proves it." Correct, and this article proves it with the same paper.  What Canyon Lake Gorge shows is that jointed rock under confined flow above a threshold can be excavated fast, and that the resulting landform does not look young.  It removed 0.00046 cubic kilometres.  The Grand Canyon is about ten million times larger, is cut across a structural high, includes 1,700 metres of schist and granite, and is up to 29 kilometres wide.  The rate is not the problem.  The volume, the rock, the route and the width are.

"The Missoula flood carved the Scablands in days.  Noah's Flood was far bigger." John Morris asks exactly this and it deserves a real answer.74  Three parts.  The Scabland needed roughly a hundred floods over three to four thousand years, of which about six cut the big canyons.  Every remeasurement since 2016 has made those floods smaller, by factors of 1.4 to 10.  And the largest coulee they cut is 1.7 per cent of the Grand Canyon, in columnar-jointed basalt under loess, which is the cheapest substrate there is.

"Even secular geologists cannot agree how old the canyon is." True and misleading.  The disagreements are real: 70 million against 6 million for the western segment, steady incision against a migrating knickzone, glacial against tectonic origins for the Great Unconformity.  Every one of the competing positions accepts the 5.3-million-year integration date, and none is within four orders of magnitude of 4,500 years.

"The mainstream now admits a lake overflowed and cut the canyon — the creationists were right." Half right, and the honest half is worth having.  A 2026 Science paper makes spillover the leading explanation for how the river crossed the Kaibab arch.  The same paper says catastrophic flooding "is not necessarily invoked as contributing substantially to canyon deepening."3  Spillover set the route; five and a half million years of ordinary incision cut the canyon.  And Meek and Douglass's original version is a chain of separate spillovers spread across roughly six million years, not one event.38

"Where did the eroded sediment go?  There is no delta." There is, and it is not at the surface.  Roughly 2.8 ± 0.6 × 10⁵ cubic kilometres of Colorado River sediment is buried in the Salton Trough and the northern Gulf of California, down to 10–12 kilometres depth.21  The article states the weakness honestly: the mass balance closes only on the more generous of two readings of that crust, and the conservative reading does not overlap.  The independent cross-check is better — the implied long-term sediment flux of 96 to 217 million tonnes a year matches the pre-dam gauged discharge at Yuma.

"Radiocarbon beyond 40,000 years is unreliable, so the cave deposits prove nothing." The objection about the absolute numbers has force and this article grants it.  It does not touch the two things that carry the argument.  Deeper is older, in a physical column of dung, measured at three separate laboratories.  And a second clock with different physics — trapped charge in feldspar — gives the same answer on the same beds.14  A rescue that reprices radiocarbon must independently reprice luminescence by the same factor, or the agreement is a coincidence.

"The Coconino trackways were made underwater." Brand's own 1996 experiment found the distorted toe marks appear "underwater or on sloped, damp sand."75  The 2019 ichnological revision supplies a mechanism — gravity-driven digit sliding on a steep dry foreset — that explains the same anomalies and, applied blind, recovers the correct contemporary fauna.52  And Brand's own textbook says the sedimentology points to wind and that he cannot reconcile it.76

"Billions of nautiloids were buried in one bed." The bed is real and probably an event bed.  "Billions" is one multiplication from a best-patch density four to eight times the only published raw count.  The area quoted in ministry literature is doubled by folding in a facies where Austin himself says nautiloids are rare.  And the standard taphonomic tests that would distinguish one burial from a condensed shell lag have never been run.

"The layer contacts are knife-edge flat, so no time passed." The canyon's flagship example carries channels 30 metres deep across half a quadrangle; the most-cited flat surface is a karst landscape with caves in it; the erosion-rate arithmetic applies continental rates to a sea-level platform; and the missing systems are a kilometre thick 250 kilometres west.  The honest reading of a paraconformity is non-deposition, and that is testable because the missing biozones are missing platform-wide.

"Soft sediment explains the folding, the faulting and the karst." Slickensides, fault gouge, breccia, solution caves and hornfels are hard-rock features, and one of those — the hornfels — is reported in RATE's own paper.64  Soft sediment does not stand as a 200-metre sea cliff while a Cambrian sea attacks it.

What would change the verdict

This article is wrong if any of the following turns up.

  • Lake shorelines, deltas or bottom sediments on the Colorado Plateau at the elevations Austin's model requires. Oard has named the test and run the controls; the analogue lakes all left them.
  • Scabland-type flood features on the plateau surfaces around the canyon — giant current ripples, dry cataracts, streamlined residuals, an anastomosing braid pattern. A targeted search of the literature found none reported. That is a negative from a search, not a proof of absence, and anyone with such a report should produce it.
  • A quantified depositional mechanism for a Flood Coconino. Whitmore and Garner have conceded there is none that can be observed and have promised fuller work; if it appears with numbers that survive Helble's mass balance, this section changes.
  • Standard taphonomic work on the Whitmore Nautiloid Bed — hardgrounds, borings, encrustation, size-sorting — showing a single obrution event. Nobody has done it, in either direction.
  • A young-earth model that reprices luminescence, uranium-series and cosmogenic dating by the same factor it reprices radiocarbon, from physics rather than assertion.
  • An explanation of the canyon's width — a mechanism that produces 6 to 29 kilometres of rim-to-rim distance in one event, against measured cliff retreat of 0.45 metres per thousand years. Granting Haman's factor of five and a tenfold radiocarbon compression on top of it still leaves each wall short by a factor of 30 at the canyon's narrowest point.
  • A reading of the Surprise Canyon Formation that accounts for Lepidodendron logs and twenty-two spore species growing in valleys 90 metres deep in the middle of a rising global flood.

Verdict

The Grand Canyon is a bad flagship for young-earth geology, and it is bad for reasons that have very little to do with radiometric dating.

The catastrophist half of the argument has been partly vindicated and should be said out loud.  Canyons can be cut in days.  Morphology does not date a landscape — inner channels, knickpoints, terraces, amphitheatre heads and dendritic networks all form fast under the right conditions, and the people who established that are Lamb, Larsen, Antón, Baynes and Austin — field geomorphologists measuring real canyons, and all but the last of them mainstream.  Lake spillover is now the leading mainstream explanation for how the Colorado River crossed the Kaibab arch, and creationists were arguing for it decades before the Science paper landed.  And several specific creationist measurements are simply right: the Coconino's cross-bed dips, the chemical rather than mechanical origin of grain frosting, the injectites at the Coconino's base.

None of that reaches the conclusion.

The canyon is about sixty times larger than the biggest coulee the largest freshwater floods on Earth ever cut.  Its lakes left nothing, which Austin concedes for one of them and Oard, Clarey and Hill press for all of them.  Its shape is the opposite of flood-scoured terrain by the diagnostic Bretz himself used.  Real megafloods have run down it — one of them among the ten largest known in North America — and the reach they crossed has a lower long-term incision rate than the reach they missed.  Its width demands cliff retreat of 3,000 metres per wall at the narrowest point, against a measured 0.45 metres per thousand years from packrat middens, and granting both the strongest published objection to that figure and a tenfold radiocarbon compression still leaves it short by a factor of thirty.  There is a forested river valley system, ninety metres deep, buried three formations above the nautiloid bed.  There are desiccation cracks twenty-five feet deep at the very contact used to prove no time passed.  And on the cave floors inside the finished canyon sits a stratified blanket of dung whose ages sort by depth across three laboratories, with driftwood forty-four metres up the wall dated to fifty-five thousand years by two clocks built on different physics, each of which a young-earth reading must reprice for a different reason.

Creation geologists are not agreed on any of this, and that is the fairest thing to end on.  Oard calls the dam-breach model fatally flawed in the movement's own journal and describes his own journey away from it.  Clarey rejects his own institution's founding model and cites the old-earth rebuttal volume against it.  Austin has quietly dropped two of his three lakes and has never, in thirty years, published a discharge or a duration.  Brown accuses Austin of fraud and Austin replies that Brown is arguing from omniscience.  Answers in Genesis teaches a hybrid and admits in print that "we do not have all the answers."77

That admission is the right one.  This article's disagreement is not with it.

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  1. 1.

    Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe.  Institute for Creation Research, Santee, California.  Edited by Steven A. Austin.  1994.  A 1994 book edited by Steven Austin and published by the Institute for Creation Research.  The article uses its fifth chapter, "How Was Grand Canyon Eroded?" (pp. 83–110), for the lakes Austin proposed, for the volume of rock he says the canyon lost, and for what he says those lakes left behind.

    1. 1a.

      Page 49:  “Most geologists have recognized the extraordinarily flat surface to be free of any channel erosion.  Furthermore, pebbles of lithified Hermit siltstone are not known, from the base of the Coconino.  No soil-or-weathering profile is known at the top of the Hermit Formation.  Instead, the Hermit Formation contains elongated cracks (clastic dikes) filled with white Coconino Sandstone at the uppermost surface.  It would appear that the uppermost Hermit was not lithified, when deposition of the Coconino began.” ↩

    2. 1b.

      Page 83:  The chapter epigraph, quoting Earle E. Spamer.  The full quotation continues:  “Grand Canyon has held tight to her secrets of origin and age.  Every approach to this problem has been cloaked in hypothesis.”  The quotation predates the 2000 Grand Canyon Symposium and the thermochronology programme that followed. ↩

    3. 1c.

      Page 83:  “277 miles long, counting the 60 miles of Marble Canyon upstream”.  The same page gives depth as 3,000-6,000 ft and rim-to-rim width as 4-18 miles. ↩

    4. 1d.

      Page 83:  “A simple calculation of the volume of the Canyon shows that almost 1,000 cubic miles (4,000 cubic kilometers) of sediment have been removed from northern Arizona to produce just the topographic form of the Canyon itself.”  This one sentence is the origin of the figure Answers in Genesis, Oard and Clarey all repeat. ↩ ↩ ↩

    5. 1e.

      Page 84:  “Our minds are staggered in the attempt to imagine not just 1,000 cubic miles of canyon erosion, but many times that volume.” ↩

    6. 1f.

      Page 93, figure 5.8:  The caption to Figure 5.8 reads:  “The lake would occupy an area of more than 30,000 square miles, and contain 3,000 cubic miles of water.  The volume of the lake would be three times that of Lake Michigan.”  The multiple is wrong: Lake Michigan holds 1,180 cubic miles, so 3,000 is 2.5 times, and Oard's 2.5x is the correct figure.  The 3,000 cubic miles is a hypothetical modern lake computed from present topography, not a measured palaeolake volume. ↩

    7. 1g.

      Page 103:  “It would appear that Hopi Lake failed, probably by piping, beneath a low point in the Kaibab Upwarp near Grand Canyon Village, in the extreme eastern Grand Canyon area.  As an underground channel enlarged, collapse occurred, and catastrophic erosion carved a notch which began to form the Canyon.” ↩

    8. 1h.

      Page 103:  “Sedimentary deposits have yet to prove the existence of Canyonlands Lake.”  No deposit at all is claimed for Vernal Lake. ↩ ↩

    9. 1i.

      Page 92:  Carol S. Breed, quoted by Austin:  “the Bidahochi Formation stands in relation to the postulated southeasterly ancestral upper Colorado in much the same way as the Muddy Creek Formation stands in the way of a pre-Pliocene westward flowing Colorado River.  There is a notorious lack of pre-Muddy Creek Colorado River sediments in the west; there is a similar lack of proven pre-Bidahochi upper Colorado sediments in the east.” ↩

    10. 1j.

      Page 95:  Listing the model's own predictions: Pliocene lake strata east of the canyon; geomorphic evidence of increased ancient flow; relict landforms; and unusual Pliocene delta deposits near the Gulf of California. ↩

    11. 1k.

      Page 95, figure 5.10:  The caption to Figure 5.10 reads:  “up to 500 cubic miles of water (half the present volume of Lake Michigan), eroding the Channeled Scabland of eastern Washington.  Fifty cubic miles of sediment and bedrock were eroded.” ↩

  2. 2.

    Oard, Michael J.  “The Origin of Grand Canyon—Part II: Fatal Problems with the Dam-Breach Hypothesis.”  Creation Research Society Quarterly 46(4):290–307.  2010.  Page 294:  His section, headed "My Journey Away from the Dam-Breach Hypothesis", records that he originally accepted Austin's model:  “In my first (generally favorable) examination of the dam-breach hypothesis (Oard, 1993), I noticed five geological problems … Over time, other research not directly connected to Grand Canyon began to raise other questions and uncover even more problems.”  A 2010 critique, in a creationist journal, of the dam-breach model that Austin and Brown championed, in which lakes dammed after the Flood burst and carved Grand Canyon.  Its author is a retired National Weather Service meteorologist with a master's in atmospheric science and a published monograph on the Missoula flood, and he records that he first accepted the model before turning against it.  The article uses it as a creationist's own case that the dam-breach model fails, on two counts: the lakes left no shorelines or deltas, and the Kanab and Havasu tributary canyons would need vast floods spread over a wide area.

    1. 2a.

      Page 306:  He continues:  “Logic therefore pushes us toward a different explanation—that the canyon and its tributaries were all eroded during the closing stages of the Genesis Flood.” ↩

    2. 2b.

      Section Abstract, page 290:  His full list is at p. 296 and runs to ten problems.  Page 296:  Among them, he says that.  “Austin's model requires an improbable simultaneous release of lake volumes”.  that piping.  “would have had to operate over nearly 100 miles”.  that.  “The plethora of features such as gravel bars and slackwater deposits readily observed for the Lake Missoula and Bonneville floods are not present on the southwest Colorado Plateau”.  and that.  “There is no massive gravel bar at the mouth of Grand Canyon, similar to the 200 mi² … Portland Delta at the mouth of the Columbia Gorge.” ↩

    3. 2c.

      Pages 298–303:  “All lakes have shorelines, and when rivers flow into lakes they form deltas.  If a lake empties, those shorelines and deltas will remain … The Flood ended around 4,500 years ago.  The lakes breached several hundred years later.  That leaves slightly more than four millennia, which is not enough time to erase all traces of these lakes.”  His controls are Lake Missoula on Mount Sentinel and Mount Jumbo, the Bonneville shorelines north of Salt Lake City, Lake Manly in Death Valley, Lahontan, and the pluvial lakes of southeastern Oregon. ↩

    4. 2d.

      Page 298:  From the figure caption, the glacial Lake Missoula bottom sediments were.  “laid in the bottom of glacial Lake Missoula, over 1,000 feet (300 m) below maximum lake level.  The catastrophic emptying of the lake failed to erode these sediments.” ↩

    5. 2e.

      Page 299:  Quoting Alt 2001, p. 48:  “But the shorelines seem just as numerous on the weak clay slopes north of the Missoula Valley as on extremely stable slopes of Belt rocks.”  His conclusion:  “any appeal to absence from erosion seems unlikely.” ↩

    6. 2f.

      Pages 296–297:  “geologists think that only a small part of the formation was deposited by a lake and that this lake was only a small desert lake … Most of the formation is volcanic or laid down in moving water.”  And:  “While the Bidahochi lake sediments are located near the northern and eastern 'shoreline,' there are no deposits in what would have been the deepest part of the lake—exactly where they would be most expected.” ↩

    7. 2g.

      Pages 303–305:  Kanab Canyon.  “enters Grand Canyon as a narrow gorge about one mile (1.6 km) deep and a quarter mile (0.4 km) wide … Havasu Canyon is of similar dimensions.”  His inference:  “Since the tributaries reach the same depth as Grand Canyon, the most logical explanation is that they were eroded at the same time … water flowing at sufficient velocity for a sufficient time to erode a mile into indurated rock would have had to have been spread over a hundred miles of the southwest Colorado Plateau.”  He also quotes Wayne Ranney against the mainstream:  “How is it that much smaller tributaries, which have no water in their channels most of the time, can carve canyons just as deep as the Colorado River has carved the Grand Canyon?” ↩

  3. 3.

    He, Jason J. Y. et al.  “Late Miocene Colorado River arrival in the Bidahochi basin supports spillover origin of Grand Canyon.”  Science, 289–294.  Apr 16, 2026.  A research article in the journal Science, written by thirteen authors.  Its dating of volcanic ash and of 3,596 detrital zircon grains (sand-sized crystals that record the age of the rock they came from) placed Colorado River sediment in a lake basin east of the canyon by 6.6 million years ago.  He and Crow contributed equally, and the corresponding author, Crow, is at the U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff and is the same Crow who co-authored the 2014 thermochronology paper and led the lava-dam work.  The article uses it as the newest evidence that the river got through the Kaibab arch by lake spillover, the mechanism creationists have argued for far longer than the mainstream has. ↩

    1. 3a.

      Page 289:  “we present new evidence from zircon uranium-lead geochronology for the arrival of distinctive Colorado-Green River sediment in the Bidahochi basin by 6.6 million years ago derived from the Browns Park Formation.  This is coeval with an order-of-magnitude increase in depositional rate, an increase in carbonate strontium isotope (87Sr/86Sr) ratios, the appearance of large fish species characteristic of fast-flowing waters, and other sedimentological changes.”  The measurement is 3,596 detrital zircon grains from nineteen sandstone samples, plus ion-microprobe dating of interbedded ash at 6.62, 6.53 ± 0.09, 6.46 ± 0.15 and 6.42 ± 0.08 Ma. ↩

    2. 3b.

      Page 293:  “The size (as long as 75 cm), enlarged fins, and narrow tail fin base of fish specimens from the UBF suggest fast-moving fluvial habitats.” ↩

    3. 3c.

      Page 294:  “Notching of the Kaibab arch post–6-Ma uplift and/or erosion can easily account for the small elevation difference between the sill and the highest strata of the UBF.  Thus, arguments that Bidahochi lake was not high enough to overtop the Kaibab arch are not supported.”  Page 293:  The highest Bidahochi beach deposits sit at 2,250 m against a reconstructed sill near 2,300 m. ↩

    4. 3d.

      Page 294:  “karst piracy seems improbable given the lack of analogous linear collapse features … Headward erosion is not supported because of the lack of Colorado Plateau detritus in the Miocene deposits at the mouth of the Grand Canyon.  Groundwater sapping is likely to have contributed to drainage reorganization during integration but cannot be the sole process over the entire length of the Grand Canyon … Lake spillover … now seems to have played a critical role through the Grand Canyon reach as well.” ↩

    5. 3e.

      Page 294:  “This suggests a 1.2- to 0.4-Ma lag between the arrival of the CR to the Bidahochi basin and to depocenters downstream from the Grand Canyon.  This lag is much greater than the ~±100,000 (2σ) errors on geochronologic constraints.” ↩

    6. 3f.

      Page 294:  “It is notable that lake spillover would have established the route of the river, allowing the initiation of new fluvial incision, but catastrophic flooding during that process is not necessarily invoked as contributing substantially to canyon deepening.” ↩ ↩ ↩ ↩

  4. 4.

    Oard, Michael J.  Analysis of Walt Brown's Flood model.  Creation Ministries International.  2013.  Its verdict:  “There are many more specific problems that can be brought forth against Brown's version of the dam-breach hypothesis, but the above are enough to show that his hypothesis won't work.”  He notes, against Brown's block-faulting, that the Grand Staircase and Book Cliffs.  “are obviously erosional escarpments … They are not fault scarps”.  He also says the lakes did not breach at the low points of the Kaibab Plateau, an objection that hits Austin equally.  A critique that Creation Ministries International commissioned from Michael Oard, a full-time researcher known for his field geology, because it kept receiving mail about Brown's hydroplate model.  It summarizes Brown's model and then tests it, most closely on the origin of Grand Canyon and on the woolly mammoths.  The article uses it for the water-budget objection to Brown's lakes.

    1. 4a.

      Section Not enough water for erosion:  “the total volume of rock eroded by sheet flow would be 8,500 km³ (2,000 mi³).  The volume of Brown's two lakes east of Grand Canyon was only about 12,000 km³ (2,930 mi³).  That is a little more than a cubic km of water to erode a cubic km of sediment, which seems like too little water, just to erode the 300 m (1,000 ft) of sediments before Grand Canyon was even carved!”  And:  “that much water only eroded about 200 km³ (50 mi³) of soft silt and hard basalt along the flood path.  That is about a 10 to 1 ratio of water to erosion.” ↩ ↩

  5. 5.

    Clarey, Timothy L.  “Grand Canyon Carved by Flood Runoff.”  Acts & Facts.  Institute for Creation Research.  Nov 30, 2018.  “I think the best solution is the one Mike Oard presented in his book on Grand Canyon.”  An article in Acts & Facts, the Institute for Creation Research's publication, by Timothy Clarey, who works for the institute Austin helped build.  Clarey rejects its founding model, citing the old-earth Kregel volume against it.  The article uses it because a writer for the same institute says plainly that the breached-dam lakes lack evidence.

    1. 5a.

      “The biggest problem with the breached-dam hypothesis is the lack of physical evidence for the existence of these lakes … Neither of these 'lakes' has any mapped lake-cut terraces or strand lines as are common surrounding Lake Bonneville … Merely drawing in a vast lake based on today's topography, without strong evidence to back it, is speculation, not science.” ↩ ↩

  6. 6.

    Fenton, Cassandra R. et al.  “Peak discharge of a Pleistocene lava-dam outburst flood in Grand Canyon, Arizona, USA.”  Quaternary Research 65:324–335.  2006.  Section Abstract, page 324:  “The Hyaloclastite Dam was up to 366 m high … Failure of the Hyaloclastite Dam released a maximum 11 × 10^9 m3 of water in 31 h.  Peak discharges … ranged from 2.3 to 5.3 × 10^5 m3 s−1 … This discharge is an order of magnitude greater than the largest known discharge on the Colorado River (1.4 × 10^4 m3 s−1) … and in the top ten largest floods in North America.”  The 200 m bench height and the 53 km downstream extent widely attached to this paper are not in it.  They belong to Fenton, Poreda, Nash, Webb and Cerling's 2004 study Geochemical Discrimination of Five Pleistocene Lava-Dam Outburst-Flood Deposits, Western Grand Canyon, Arizona, in The Journal of Geology 112:91–110, and this article does not use them.  A 2006 paper that models the flood from the failure of the Hyaloclastite lava dam in the western Grand Canyon, estimating how much water came down and how fast.  The article uses it for the size of that flood, and for the authors' view that such floods may have been ineffective at cutting the western canyon. ↩ ↩

    1. 6a.

      Page 334:  Fenton, Webb and Cerling write:  “Floods with large peak stream power, but of short duration and low total energy expenditure are ineffective agents of geomorphic change in alluvial or bedrock channels … lower incision rates are reported … in western Grand Canyon relative to eastern Grand Canyon for the past 630,000 yr, the time during which lava dams periodically existed in the western canyon.  The difference in incision rates may reflect the ineffective erosive power of lava-dam outburst floods in western Grand Canyon.” ↩ ↩

  7. 7.

    Bretz, J Harlen.  “The Channeled Scablands of the Columbia Plateau.”  The Journal of Geology 31(8):617–649.  1923.  The 1923 paper in which J Harlen Bretz described the Channeled Scablands of the Columbia Plateau, the landscape he argued a flood had scoured.  The article uses it for Bretz's own test for where his flood had been.

    1. 7a.

      Pages 619–620:  From his numbered list of universal relations:  “11. The pattern of scabland tracts, where hills of the older topography are isolated in them, is anastomosing or 'braided.'  12. Scabland tracts invariably contain 'channels.'  These are gorges or canyons or elongated basins eroded in the basalt … in most cases, the channel pattern is anastomosing or braided.” ↩ ↩

    2. 7b.

      Page 619:  Item 9(a):  “The areas surrounded by scabland invariably have the dendritic drainage pattern, mature topography and loessial soil of the plateau.”  This is the diagnostic by which Bretz mapped where his flood had not been. ↩ ↩

  8. 8.

    Cole, Kenneth L., and Larry Mayer.  “Use of packrat middens to determine rates of cliff retreat in the eastern Grand Canyon, Arizona.”  Geology 10(11):597–599.  1982.  Page 599:  “We have estimated the envelope line by applying linear regression to the data from 14 Pleistocene middens collected from small to medium caves in the Horseshoe Mesa Member of the Redwall Limestone… The estimate of the rate of cliff retreat for the Redwall Limestone is 0.45 m/10³ ¹⁴C yr.  The range in our estimates of the rate of cliff retreat, at the 95% confidence level, is from 0.18 to 0.72 m/10³ yr.”  They call it.  “a 13,000-yr average rate.”  A 1982 study that dated packrat middens, the plant-and-dung piles packrats leave in caves, to measure how fast the Redwall Limestone cliffs retreat.  The authors fit a line through 14 Pleistocene middens and get a rate of 0.45 metres per thousand radiocarbon years, with a 95% range of 0.18 to 0.72.  The article uses the rate to explain the canyon's width, and it reports the range in full. ↩ ↩

    1. 8a.

      Three Comments on the paper appeared in Geology 11 in 1983, with the authors' replies.  Louise Hose attacks the assumed midden frequency distribution, and says middens.  Page 314:  “exist as far back as at least 158 m from any possible entrance”.  and that one dated 16,580 ± 460 yr B.P. sits.  “85 m from the closest cliff.”  Page 315:  Haman argues that the rate is a floor rather than a ceiling:  “the cliff retreat at embayments is four to five times more than salients.  Cole and Mayer's (1982) 14 sets of data were all taken from salients and thus represent minimum rates of cliff retreat from the Colorado River”.  and.  “At least 57% of the data Cole and Mayer used to estimate cliff retreat from the Colorado River represents retreat from major tributary canyons to it.”  Page 494:  Bernard J. Smith of Queen's University Belfast makes the catastrophist's objection directly:  “Episodes of significant erosion would appear, therefore, to be accomplished primarily by high-magnitude, low-frequency events.  It is clear that the nature of these processes cannot be understood in terms of 'average rates of erosion.'”  Cole and Mayer reply:  “An average rate does not mean a constant rate…  The collection of data from multiple sites was our best assurance that a catastrophic event at one site had minimal impact upon the outcome of the study.”  They also state that the sites are.  “all in areas well away from streams or washes”.  The figure is therefore a mass-wastage rate measured independently of stream action. ↩

  9. 9.

    Abbott, Lon D. et al.  “Rates of river incision and scarp retreat in eastern and central Grand Canyon over the past half million years: Evidence for passage of a transient knickzone.”  Geosphere 11(3):638–665.  2015.  A journal paper by three authors from the University of Colorado, the University of Illinois and Prescott College.  It dated travertine-cemented river terrace fill at Hermit Creek, in eastern Grand Canyon, by uranium-series methods, and found that the river cut down at 1 to 4 kilometres per million years between ca. 500 and 400 ka, then slowed at least fivefold, which the authors read as a transient knickzone, a wave of fast cutting moving upstream.  The article uses it as the mainstream's own measured exception to steady erosion.

    1. 9a.

      Page 638:  “These data require an incision rate of 1-4 km/m.y. between ca. 500 and 400 ka followed by at least a fivefold decrease after 400 ka.”  From the abstract.  At Hermit Creek the average is 519 +55/-58 m/Myr since 506 ± 33 ka. ↩

    2. 9b.

      Page 650:  “Our 600-800 m/m.y. retreat rate since 500 ka for the Redwall/Muav cliff at RM 96 is broadly similar to the upper end of Cole and Mayer's (1982) 180-720 m/m.y. since 13 ka and slightly faster than the 500-600 m/m.y. determined for the Kaibab cliff since 19 Ma (Lucchitta and Jeanne, 2001).  Our faster rate over 0.5 m.y. is to be expected because scarp retreat rates measured over short time intervals tend to be higher (Gardner et al., 1987).” ↩ ↩ ↩ ↩

  10. 10.

    Billingsley, George H., and Stanley S. Beus.  “The Surprise Canyon Formation — An Upper Mississippian and Lower Pennsylvanian(?) rock unit in the Grand Canyon, Arizona.”  U.S. Geological Survey Bulletin 1605-A, A27–A33.  1985.  A U.S. Geological Survey chapter, printed in a volume of stratigraphic notes dated 1984, that names and describes the Surprise Canyon Formation, a rock unit that fills valleys cut into the Redwall Limestone.  The 1999 monograph often cited with it is Museum of Northern Arizona Bulletin 61, not USGS Bulletin 2111.  The article uses it for the width and depth of the valleys cut into the Redwall Limestone, for the plants and erosion surfaces in the fill, and for the solution caves inside the Redwall. ↩

    1. 10a.

      Page A28:  “The valleys in which the formation occurs average about 300 m in width and 75 m in depth in the western Grand Canyon … The thickest section measured is 122 m at Quartermaster Canyon.”  Page A31:  “Regional uplift allowed stream erosion to cut valleys as deep as 122 m.” ↩

    2. 10b.

      Pages A30–A31:  “In the lower sandstone and siltstone beds of the formation, Lepidodendron logs and palynomorphs (spores) indicative of Upper Mississippian strata are locally abundant.  From the Granite Park section, 22 palynomorph species were identified by R. M. Kosanke.”  “Fossil plant materials in the basal units indicate that vegetation grew along the stream valleys and perhaps elsewhere on the limestone surface adjacent to the valleys.”  Also recorded on the same pages: red shaly siltstone.  “with horizontal burrows and mud cracks”.  stromatolites in the upper limestone, and.  “an erosional unconformity marks the boundary between the lower units and the upper marine sediments.” ↩ ↩

    3. 10c.

      Page A27:  The formation.  “also occurs locally in caves within the Mooney Falls and Horseshoe Mesa Members of the Redwall Limestone.”  Page A29:  “These sediments are found also in solution caves within the Mooney Falls and Horseshoe Mesa Members of the Redwall.” ↩

  11. 11.

    Hodnett, John-Paul M., and David K. Elliott.  “Carboniferous chondrichthyan assemblages from the Surprise Canyon and Watahomigi formations (latest Mississippian-Early Pennsylvanian) of the western Grand Canyon, Northern Arizona.”  Journal of Paleontology 92(Memoir 77):1–33.  2018.  Pages 3–4:  Nine individually measured paleovalleys, quoted from Billingsley and Beus's 1999 monograph, given as width × depth in metres: Rampart Cave Canyon 396 × 51.2 m, Burnt Springs Canyon 425 × 89.2 m, Bat Tower Overlook 305 × 91.1 m, Quartermaster Canyon ~305 × 60.4 m, Granite Park 350 × 64.9-68.9 m, Blue Mountain Canyon 140 × 22-47.9 m, Stairway Canyon 122 × 39 m, West Stairway Canyon 140 × 19.5 m, Travertine Canyon 92 × 25.5 m.  A paleontology memoir describing the teeth and spines of ancient cartilaginous fish, relatives of sharks, from two rock formations in western Grand Canyon, and naming four new taxa.  The fossils came from a 1980s survey and from residues left by an earlier conodont study.  The article uses it for the size of the buried valley and for the estuary that flooded it. ↩ ↩

    1. 11a.

      Page 3:  “Development of karst and entrenchment of the channels probably occurred in late Meramecian or early Chesterian times … In the late Chesterian/Serpukhovian a period of subsidence allowed marine waters to gradually flood the eroded valleys forming local estuaries.” ↩

  12. 12.

    Mead, Jim I., and Larry D. Agenbroad.  “Isotope Dating of Pleistocene Dung Deposits from the Colorado Plateau, Arizona and Utah.”  Radiocarbon 34(1):1–19.  1992.  Page 3:  All dates are conventional radiocarbon years using the Libby half-life, uncalibrated.  Page 12:  Rampart Cave:  “a small limestone cave at 525 m elevation with a north-facing entrance. In 1976, fire destroyed all but a small section of the deposit.”  Page 14:  Stanton's Cave:  “at 927 m elevation, is 44 m above the present river level.”  A review, by two Northern Arizona University researchers, of 20 Colorado Plateau localities where the dung of large animals was preserved in caves and alcoves and then radiocarbon dated.  The authors say identified dung and hair of large mammals is considered the most reliable material for radiocarbon dating when the question is when a local extinction happened.  The article uses it for the depth-ordered dates from Rampart Cave.

    1. 12a.

      Pages 12–13:  Laboratory prefixes: A- is University of Arizona, I- is Isotopes Incorporated and L- is Lamont-Doherty.  The authors also reject one anomalously young date on physical grounds: on the 10,035 ± 250 from the trampled surface layer,  “Martin, Thompson and Long (1985) suggest Neotoma contamination of this 'young' sample”.  which is worth noting, because radiocarbon workers discard dates for stratigraphic reasons too.  At Muav Caves six surface boluses run 10,650 to 11,810, a tight cluster consistent with one horizon.  At Stanton's Cave the extinct mountain goat's pellets run 10,870 at 20-25 cm to 17,300 at 55-60 cm, and.  “No 'large pellets' were found above the 20-cm level in the stratified section”.  so the extinction is stratigraphic, not merely chronological. ↩ ↩

  13. 13.

    Kenworthy, Jason P. et al.  “An Inventory of Paleontological Resources Associated with Caves in Grand Canyon National Park.”  Proceedings of the 7th Federal Conference on Fossil Resources, 211–228.  National Park Service.  Edited by V. L. Santucci and L. McClelland.  2004.  The Park Service's own consolidated inventory of fossils found in Grand Canyon caves, compiled from the published literature, from calls and emails with park staff and outside scientists, and from comments by outside reviewers.  It lists 28 caves, including Rampart, Muav, Vulture, Bida, Kaetan and Stanton's, and it cites the primary radiocarbon papers by name for every figure.  The article uses it for the dung and packrat deposits in Rampart Cave and for the six named caves whose ages sort with depth. ↩ ↩

    1. 13a.

      Page 215:  “One such deposit is a 33 cm unindurated 'seam' that separates the two major dung layers in the cave. The seam is made up of plant material such as twigs and other macrofossils that are 'perfectly preserved' … Deposited by packrats between 24,000 and 14,000 years BP, the seam may constitute the largest Pleistocene packrat deposit ever found.”  The same page records that the untrampled boluses on the deposit's original surface.  “date to around 11,200 yr BP”.  and that thirty further indurated middens have been found in and around the cave, yielding sixty plant types. ↩ ↩

  14. 14.

    Karlstrom, Karl E. et al.  “Grand Canyon landslide-dam and paleolake triggered by the Meteor Crater impact at 56 ka.”  Geology 53(10):821–826.  2025.  Section Conclusions:  “We cannot rule out the possibility that the landslide-lake could have been triggered by random gravitational collapse or local seismicity.”  A dating study that re-dated driftwood logs in Stanton's Cave, in Marble Canyon, and dated the sand around them.  Radiocarbon on alpha-cellulose at the University of Waikato and at the Chronos laboratory of the University of New South Wales gave the driftwood 55.25 ± 2.44 ka (n = 4), and the enclosing sediment was dated by luminescence to 56.00 ± 6.39 ka (n = 2).  The authors propose that a landslide dam at Nankoweap Canyon ponded the river, and the article uses their dates, which agree with one another, to show that the Marble Canyon deposits are dated to ca. 55 ka.  The authors say the Meteor Crater trigger is only a hypothesis, and nothing in this article rests on it. ↩ ↩

    1. 14a.

      Section Geochronology Results:  The two luminescence samples from the alcove at river mile 35.5, as the paper reports them:  “The lower sample … returned an age of 59.58 ± 8.67 ka (2se) that is within error of the mean 55.19 ± 2.16 ka mean wood age from the same deposit.  The upper sample … returned an IRSL age of 51.74 ± 9.45 ka (2se).”  Infrared stimulated luminescence measures trapped charge in feldspar accumulated since the grains were last exposed to light.  It shares no calibration curve and no laboratory with radiocarbon, but it does share the assumption of constant decay, because the dose rate is computed from uranium, thorium and potassium decaying in the surrounding sediment.  The article's main text says why that shared premise buys a young-earth reading little. ↩ ↩ ↩ ↩

    2. 14b.

      Section Evaluating Cave Deposits in Marble Canyon:  “The largest known modern floods on the Colorado River recorded near Lees Ferry were the 5660 m3/s 1984 CE flood and the 8500 m3/s 1200−1600 yr B.P. flood … the 8500 m3/s level … would have been >50 m below the estimated 283,000 m3/sec flow needed to raise the modern river level to the entrance of Stanton's Cave.  Thus, both the heights and the ca. 55 ka age of the Stanton's and RM 35.5 deposits preclude a Holocene flood origin.” ↩

  15. 15.

    Whitmore, John H.  “Lithostratigraphic Correlation of the Coconino Sandstone and a Global Survey of Permian 'Eolian' Sandstones: Implications for Flood Geology.”  Answers Research Journal 12:275–328.  2019.  Page 275:  “Sand waves may not be an exact analogue of how the 'blanket' of the Coconino and other sandstones were deposited, but we envisage something similar.”  The same paper defends the reality of the geological column against other creationists:  “Some creationists have denied the validity of the geological column.  While a single 'blanket' sandstone is not a column, many 'blankets' stacked on top of one another, are a column”.  A long paper by a creationist that correlates the Coconino across about 2.4 million square kilometres and surveys other Permian sandstones that are called eolian, meaning wind-blown.  The article uses it for Whitmore's numbered case for a water origin, and for his defence of the geological column against other creationists.

    1. 15a.

      Page 294:  “Some have suggested that the sand-filled cracks that can be found at the Hermit/Coconino contact are desiccation cracks that have been filled with sand from the Coconino, but the Hermit lacks the appropriate clays for them to be desiccation cracks and the sand-filled cracks have features of sand injectites, not desiccation cracks (Whitmore and Strom 2010).” ↩

    2. 15b.

      Page 282:  His own numbered list.  Items quoted or discussed in this article:  “2. the grains of the Coconino can best be described as subangular to subrounded, 3. K-feldspar is a common accessory mineral and is often more angular than the quartz … 6. avalanche tongues, a feature common on steep slopes of eolian sand dunes, are missing in the Coconino … 7. cross-bed dips average about 20 deg and our hundreds of measurements agree with hundreds of other measurements made by Reiche (1938) and Maithel (2019) … 9. dolomite (we believe it is primary) occurs in many places … 10. the expected sedimentary details commonly found in eolian sands (as far as grainfall, grainflow and ripple structures) are for the most part absent or have been difficult to recognize in the Coconino (Maithel 2019).”  Item 6 fails on the movement's own sources: McKee figures dry-sand slump and avalanche marks by name, and Maithel's own first conference paper was on Coconino "avalanche beds."  Item 10 misstates the source it cites, which says the structures are hard to differentiate, not absent.  The measured dip means behind item 7 are in Whitmore 2019, Fig. 6, pp. 287-288 (6A-H on p. 287, 6I-O on p. 288): Bunker Trail 21.4°, Aubrey Cliffs 19.3°, Clear Creek 22.8°, Holbrook 17.3°, all-Arizona Coconino pooled 20.2°. ↩ ↩

  16. 16.

    Maithel, Sarah A. et al.  “Characterization of hard-to-differentiate dune stratification types in the Permian Coconino Sandstone (Arizona, USA).”  Sedimentology 68(1):238–265.  2021.  Section Abstract:  “Observed textures and sedimentary structures suggest that the cross-beds may consist of grainflow and grainfall deposits, but these remain difficult to differentiate at outcrop and thin-section scales.”  “Cross-beds were observed to be laterally extensive along-strike, with most dip angles ranging from the mid-teens to mid-twenties.”  The peer-reviewed version of Maithel's 2019 Loma Linda dissertation, whose advisers included Brand and Whitmore.  The article cites it as independent corroboration of the Coconino cross-bed dips, which it puts at about 20 degrees. ↩ ↩ ↩

  17. 17.

    Hill, Carol A., and Stephen O. Moshier.  “Flood Geology and the Grand Canyon: A Critique.”  Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith 61(2):99–115.  Jun 2009.  A critique in the journal Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith by two geologists, Carol A. Hill and Stephen O. Moshier, of the claims in Tom Vail's 2003 compilation Grand Canyon: A Different View.  It is not a point-by-point answer to Austin's technical work, and it does not engage the breached-dam lake volumes at all; anyone citing it as "the refutation of Austin's model" is overreading it.  The article uses it only for the specific points where the authors dispute details of Flood geology.

    1. 17a.

      Page 113:  “in contrast to the unsubstantiated incision rates used in these math calculations, actual measured incision rates are too low (not too high) to explain the carving of the entire Grand Canyon over the last 6 million years.  Thus, this 'missing mass' must be accounted for by either invoking earlier canyon-erosion episodes (such as a Laramide proto-Grand Canyon) or accelerated erosion rates over the last 6 million years.” ↩

    2. 17b.

      Pages 108–109:  “The cross-beds in the Coconino have been measured between 29-31 deg.”  No source is given, and the figure conflicts with every modern measurement.  The same paragraph gives the obsolete mechanical explanation of grain frosting. ↩ ↩

    3. 17c.

      Page 110:  “some kind of debris-flow-type deposit”.  Page 109:  Their p. 109 also objects that the shells are.  “in excellent condition, not showing evidence of breakage or abrasion”.  an objection Austin's own paper undercuts, since Austin 2003, p. 67, says the body chamber "is usually not preserved, usually being ruptured during compaction in the sediment" and that fossils "sometimes occur as broken segments." ↩

    4. 17d.

      Page 110:  Quoting John Morris in Grand Canyon: A Different View:  “The existence of the sharp, knife-edge contact between these two beds argues against the passage of long periods of time.”  The same page summarises the Hermit as containing.  “mud cracks, raindrop prints, and ripple marks indicative of shallow-water deposition”.  formed.  “on a broad, low-lying, arid coastal plain.” ↩

    5. 17e.

      Page 111:  “how could slickensides (polished and smoothed striations made in hard rock by fault action), fault gouge and breccias … and the sharply offset rock layers along faults (rather than layers slumping into faults) have formed in rock that was still soft?”  The same page records.  “remnant ridges of up to 800 ft (240 m) high”.  of Shinumo Sandstone standing at the Great Unconformity. ↩

    6. 17f.

      Page 111:  The sentence continues.  “—especially without any rain being involved in its deposition!”  which depends on a vapour-canopy reading of Genesis that many young-earth creationists including Snelling do not hold; that clause is dropped here and the thickness argument stands without it. ↩

  18. 18.

    Whitmore, John H. et al.  “The Petrology of the Coconino Sandstone (Permian), Arizona, USA.”  Answers Research Journal 7:499–532.  2014.  A petrology study, meaning a study of rock composition and grain shape, by a creationist team of four.  They examined the sand's thin sections, grains and frosting under the microscope and the scanning electron microscope.  The article uses it because it retires the frosting argument for wind and sets out the mica problem.

    1. 18a.

      Section Conclusions:  “Mica occurs in almost every thin section studied as trace amounts, and is found throughout the formation both laterally and vertically.  It is difficult to understand how mica could survive an abrasive eolian climate, particularly when long distance transport is invoked.  K-feldspar occurs frequently throughout the formation and, even though it is softer than quartz, it is often more angular.”  The experimental basis is Anderson, Struble and Whitmore, Aeolian Research 24:33-37 (2017).  This is the creationist argument that the mainstream literature has not answered in print, and this article says so rather than pretending otherwise. ↩

    2. 18b.

      Section Conclusions:  “Some have used grain frosting as an obvious indicator that the Coconino is eolian in origin.  However, the Coconino sand grains are too small to be frosted by mechanical means … Our SEM results show that the frosting is a result of chemical growth on the grains, not mechanical collisions … Thus, the frosted grains in the Coconino are not definitive evidence for eolian origin.”  The article credits the creationist team for retiring an argument the eolian side had been using. ↩ ↩

  19. 19.

    Whitmore, John H., and Raymond Strom.  “Sand injectites at the base of the Coconino Sandstone, Grand Canyon, Arizona (USA).”  Sedimentary Geology 230(1–2):46–59.  2010.  It corrects McKee (1979), whose own wording was a guess, which reads.  “probably the result of desiccation … apparently filtered down from above”.  McKee 1979, p. 197.  The paper also states a difficulty its authors do not resolve:  “A problem with no readily apparent solution is that it appears the basal Coconino was water saturated and unlithified … at the time of Laramide faulting.”  A field study of the sand-filled cracks at the base of the Coconino Sandstone, with original fieldwork at thirty locations under a Grand Canyon research permit (GRCA-2005-SCI-0011), published in a mainstream Elsevier journal.  Their field pattern: the deepest cracks, over 15 m, lie beside the Bright Angel Fault at its greatest offset of 61 m; the cracks get shorter away from the fault and disappear far from faults, their trends are oriented rather than random, and their fills are massive or vertically layered rather than horizontally laminated.  The article uses it for the claim that the cracks are sand injectites, not desiccation cracks, and for its correction of McKee. ↩ ↩

  20. 20.

    Karlstrom, Karl E. et al.  “Telling Time at Grand Canyon National Park: 2020 update.”  Natural Resource Report NPS/GRCA/NRR—2021/2246.  National Park Service, Fort Collins.  2021.  The National Park Service's own report on how old the canyon's rock layers are, written by Karl Karlstrom of the University of New Mexico and three co-authors.  The article uses it for three points: that no Paleozoic rock in the canyon has been dated directly, that more time is missing from the canyon's record than is preserved in it, and how thick the layers are. ↩

    1. 20a.

      On the Redwall Limestone, the authors write:  “These fossils and the use of fossil biozones and the International Stratigraphic Chart v 2020/01 indicate that the Redwall Limestone is late Early to Middle Mississippian in age (which is about 340 million years old).”  There are no datable ash beds anywhere in the canyon's Paleozoic section, so the numbers come from detrital-zircon maximum depositional ages and from biozones correlated to dated sections elsewhere. ↩

    2. 20b.

      Figure 23:  “Grand Canyon has one of the world's most complete geologic records, yet more time is missing (black = time not recorded in the column on the right) than preserved.” ↩

    3. 20c.

      Page 22:  Of the Grand Canyon Supergroup strata, the report says they.  “are about 12,000 feet (3,600 m) thick”.  against.  “3,000-5,000 feet (900-1,500 m)”.  for the whole flat-lying Paleozoic section. ↩

    4. 20d.

      Section Missing Time:  The Great Nonconformity spans.  “up to 500 million years of missing record”.  The Great Angular Unconformity.  “can span up to 750 million years of missing rock record”.  Powell's Great Unconformity, where Paleozoic rests directly on basement, is.  “approximately 1.2 billion years (or about 30 percent) of Earth history missing.” ↩

    5. 20e.

      Page 25:  The nine-cave, fifty-midden synthesis shows.  “a gradual early Holocene change from woodland to desert faunal and floral communities, a change completed 8,500 years ago”.  The same page credits Cole and Arundel with identifying the Younger Dryas in the Grand Canyon midden record. ↩

  21. 21.

    Dorsey, Rebecca J., and Greg Lazear.  “A post-6 Ma sediment budget for the Colorado River.”  Geosphere 9(4):781–791.  2013.  A 2013 paper that builds a sediment budget for the Colorado River since 6 million years ago, comparing the rock eroded from the Colorado Plateau with the sediment buried in the Salton Trough and northern Gulf of California.  The authors estimate the erosion from the spread of Late Miocene basalt flows and new thermochronologic data, which record how fast rock cooled.  The article uses it for the volume of rock removed, and for the weak points in the mass balance that the authors admit.

    1. 21a.

      Section Abstract, page 781:  “we calculate that ~3.4 ± 1.2 × 10^5 km3 of rock has been eroded from the Colorado Plateau since 10 Ma … (1) 2.8 ± 0.6 × 10^5 km3, assuming that crust between 5 and 10-12 km depth in the plate-boundary basins is young metasedimentary rock mixed with intrusions; and (2) 1.55 ± 0.35 × 10^5 km3, assuming that crust below 4-5 km is thinned pre-Cenozoic crystalline rock.” ↩ ↩

    2. 21b.

      Page 786:  “There is no overlap between the maximum value in estimate 2 (1.9 × 10^5 km3) and the minimum estimate of rock eroded from the source (2.2 × 10^5 km3).” ↩

    3. 21c.

      Page 786:  The implied flux is.  “~96-217 Mt/yr (156 ± 60 Mt/yr) averaged over 5.3 m.y.”  against a pre-dam gauged rate at Yuma of.  “172 ± 64 Mt/yr”.  Their own caveat, on the same page, is.  “we do not have a good explanation for the discrepancy between our value and the widely cited rate of 120-150 Mt/yr.” ↩

  22. 22.

    Billingsley, George H.  “Geologic Map of the Grand Canyon 30' x 60' Quadrangle, Coconino and Mohave Counties, Northwestern Arizona.”  U.S. Geological Survey Geologic Investigations Series I-2688.  2000.  A U.S. Geological Survey map of the canyon's rock units at a scale of 1:100,000, with a 16-page pamphlet.  The pamphlet's Description of Map Units gives an east-to-west thickness range for every unit, and the map covers the central and western canyon, so the Cardenas Basalt, Nankoweap, Chuar and Sixtymile lie outside its area.  The article takes its thickness ranges from this pamphlet. ↩

    1. 22a.

      Page 7:  Describes the Temple Butte Formation, which fills.  “channels eroded into the underlying Cambrian strata; channels are as much as 100 ft (30 m) deep in eastern half of map area, and about 40 ft (12 m) deep in western half of map area … Unconformity at base of unit represents major stratigraphic break in Paleozoic rock record in the Grand Canyon, spanning part of Late Cambrian, all of Ordovician and Silurian, and most of Early and Middle Devonian time, about 100 million years.”  On the same page, the base of the Redwall is.  “marked by erosion channels of low relief about 5-10 ft (2-3 m) in depth.” ↩

    2. 22b.

      Page 6:  The Surprise Canyon Formation is.  “present only in paleovalleys and karst caves eroded into top half of Redwall Limestone”.  and is.  “the most fossiliferous rock unit in the Grand Canyon.”  The same pamphlet records erosion channels up to 40 m deep at the base of the Hermit in Havasu Canyon (p. 4), 24 m at the Manakacha/Wescogame contact (p. 5), and 45 m into the Woods Ranch Member below the Kaibab (p. 3). ↩

  23. 23.

    Karlstrom, Karl E. et al.  “Redefining the Tonto Group of Grand Canyon and recalibrating the Cambrian time scale.”  Geology 48(5):425–430.  2020.  A research article in Geology that redates the Cambrian Tonto Group rocks of Grand Canyon, using zircon crystals.  The authors laser-screened 100 to 300 zircon grains per sample, then ran chemical-abrasion isotope-dilution mass spectrometry on the youngest grains plucked off the mount.  The article uses it for the Cambrian ages, for the Shinumo islands under the Tapeats Sandstone, for the zircon peak in the Tapeats, and for trilobite zones that cut across the Bright Angel Formation. ↩

    1. 23a.

      Page 427:  “As noted by McKee and Resser (1945), and confirmed by our work, trilobites of the Glossopleura walcotti Biozone (ca. 505 Ma) occur high in the Bright Angel Formation to the west and lower in the east.” ↩

    2. 23b.

      Page 427:  “applying depositional rates of 50 m/Ma, compatible with 200 m of deposition of the Tapeats + Bright Angel Formations in ∼4 Ma, as required by the combined MDAs, biozone, and stratigraphic data.” ↩

    3. 23c.

      Page 428, section Figure 3 caption:  “islands (monadnocks) of tilted Unkar Group strata (resistant Shinumo Sandstone) created up to 200 m of relief and were not covered until Bright Angel time.”  Billingsley's map records the same relationship, saying "The Tapeats fills in lowland areas and thins across or pinches out against young Proterozoic highlands," with a thickness of 0-122 m. ↩

    4. 23d.

      Page 427, section Figure 2 caption:  The Tonto Group's detrital zircon spectrum shows.  “peaks at 1.7, 1.4, and 1.1 Ga that reflect unroofing of older Precambrian basement and the Grand Canyon Supergroup, and a strong Cambrian peak.” ↩

  24. 24.

    Mohr, Michael T. et al.  “High-precision U-Pb geochronology links magmatism in the Southwestern Laurentia large igneous province and Midcontinent Rift.”  Geology 52(3):193–197.  2024.  Table 1, page 195:  A granophyre pod in a sill intruding the Bass Formation and Hakatai Shale at Bass Canyon, river mile 107, gives 1098.16 ± 0.59 Ma; a second sill at river mile 132 gives 1098.09 ± 0.34 Ma; a Cardenas Basalt flow at Nankoweap Canyon, river mile 52, gives 1082.18 ± 1.25 Ma.  Bass Rapids is at about river mile 108, so the identification of MS17-107-01 with the sill RATE sampled is very likely but should be confirmed against Snelling and colleagues' own site description before being treated as certain.  A research article in Geology, a journal of the Geological Society of America, that dates the igneous rocks of the southwestern United States with a high-precision uranium-lead method on zircon crystals.  The authors dated zircon from a basalt flow and from felsic segregations in mafic sills, and they found that the sills are about 1098 million years old while the Cardenas Basalt is about 1083 million years old.  The article uses it for the ages of the Grand Canyon's Precambrian rocks and for its finding that the sills are older than the Cardenas Basalt they were long thought to feed. ↩

    1. 24a.

      Page 194:  “Previously, sills in the Grand Canyon were considered coeval feeders of the Cardenas Basalt.  Our new ages indicate that sills intruding the Bass and Hakatai Formations in western Grand Canyon were emplaced at ca. 1098 Ma, while the Cardenas Basalt erupted at ca. 1083 Ma.”  And on the geochemistry that flagged it decades earlier:  “sills in Death Valley, the Grand Canyon, and western and central Arizona have εNd values of +3 to +5 … while the Cardenas Basalts have lower εNd values of +0.5 to +2.”  They also explain why the previous Cardenas age was wrong:  “apparently concordant, low-precision baddeleyite analyses … likely stem from inaccurate 206Pb/238U dates due to unmitigated Pb loss that is hidden by large analytical uncertainties.” ↩

  25. 25.

    Karlstrom, Karl E. et al.  “Formation of the Grand Canyon 5 to 6 million years ago through integration of older palaeocanyons.”  Nature Geoscience 7:239–244.  2014.  A research article in Nature Geoscience by eleven authors, who used apatite fission-track and helium dating (thermochronology) on paired samples from the canyon floor and from the rim 1,500 m above, which they modelled jointly to test when four segments of the canyon were cut.  They conclude that two of the three middle segments are old, cut 70 to 50 and 25 to 15 million years ago, while the two end segments were cut in the past 5 to 6 million years; Nature issued a correction on 18 February 2014 for errors in Supplementary Table 1.  The article uses it to show that the canyon is a composite of segments of different ages.

    1. 25a.

      Page 239:  The abstract says:  “two of the three middle segments, the Hurricane segment and the Eastern Grand Canyon, formed between 70 and 50 million years ago and between 25 and 15 million years ago, respectively.  However, the two end segments, the Marble Canyon and the Westernmost Grand Canyon, are both young and were carved in the past 5-6 million years.  Thus, although parts of the canyon are old, we conclude that the integration of the Colorado River through older palaeocanyons carved the Grand Canyon, beginning 5-6 million years ago.”  Page 243:  Post-integration rates:  “semi-steady river incision over the past 4 Ma at rates of 100-200 m Ma−1.” ↩

    2. 25b.

      Page 10, section Supplementary Discussion:  “Specific constraints include an alluvial fan bracketed in age between ~14 Ma and ~9 Ma that originated from the Grand Wash Cliffs at Pearce Canyon and extended southwest across the modern path of the Colorado River.  Remnants of this fan can be found on both sides of the modern Colorado River at the mouth of the Grand Canyon.  Thus, no Colorado River or major precursor river could have flowed through the modern Lake Mead region until after 6 Ma.”  Flowers and Farley offer the standard escape, that a smaller, largely carbonate drainage would leave few clastics.  The article prints both and lets the reader weigh them, because this is the one place where the young-canyon case rests on not finding something. ↩

    3. 25c.

      Page 243:  “a pre-6 Ma Westernmost Grand Canyon continues to be falsified by the Muddy Creek Formation, which constrains the first arrival of Colorado River sediment to Grand Wash Trough to have been after 6 Ma.” ↩

  26. 26.

    Flowers, Rebecca M., and Kenneth A. Farley.  “Apatite 4He/3He and (U-Th)/He Evidence for an Ancient Grand Canyon.”  Science 338(6114):1616–1619.  Dec 21, 2012.  A 2012 report in Science that uses helium isotopes in apatite, a mineral, to trace how the rock cooled as the canyon was cut.  For the western canyon it finds the rock had been carved to within a few hundred metres of its present depth by about 70 million years ago, in contrast to the conventional view that the whole canyon was carved since 5 to 6 million years ago.  The article uses it as its main example of the old-canyon claim, and it states plainly that the western result depends on one sample.

    1. 26a.

      Section Abstract, pages 1616, 1618:  “Statistically acceptable paths … require rapid cooling to <30°C by ~70 Ma … this result implies carving of the western Grand Canyon to within several hundred meters of modern depths (70 to 80% of total incision) by 70 Ma.”  Their goodness-of-fit values are 0.30–0.32 for the ancient path and below 0.06 for the young-canyon path, just below the conventional acceptability threshold, not annihilated.  Page 1616:  They also note that.  “the upper ~70% of the western Grand Canyon lacks any direct geochronologic constraint on when it was carved.” ↩

    2. 26b.

      Page 1618:  “the 11 apatite 4He/3He spectra for sample GC863 have diverse shapes, arising from extreme U-Th zoning heterogeneity in this sample … this extreme zonation precludes the use of the GC863 4He/3He results for inverse modeling.”  They therefore used.  “the 4He/3He spectra from CP06-69 and the AHe dates from all four basement samples.” ↩

    3. 26c.

      Page 1616:  “If an older canyon existed, it is possible that a smaller drainage basin in largely carbonate lithologies explains the absence of pre–6 Ma Colorado River clastics in the Grand Wash Trough (19, 21).”  Karlstrom and colleagues' reply (2014, supplementary p. 10) is that the Pearce Canyon fan physically crosses the river's path and that the Grand Wash Trough record is continuous and well exposed. ↩

  27. 27.

    Dickinson, William R.  “Rejection of the lake spillover model for initial incision of the Grand Canyon, and discussion of alternatives.”  Geosphere 9(1):1–20.  2013.  A 2013 paper by William Dickinson of the University of Arizona that tests whether a Hopi Lake spilling over the plateau could have started the canyon.  It reads the Bidahochi lakebeds and the surrounding topography, finds that Hopi Lake was a playa system that never achieved appreciable depth, and proposes an ancestral Colorado River as the alternative.  The article uses it as the full mainstream case against the spillover mechanism, a case that the 2026 detrital-zircon work has now largely reversed.

    1. 27a.

      Section Abstract, page 1:  “Bidahochi paleogeography indicates that Hopi Lake was a playa system that never achieved appreciable depth.  Topographic relations in northern Arizona show that the maximum elevation of Bidahochi lakebeds is not compatible with lake spillover through the Grand Canyon.”  Page 6:  He also notes that restoring 400 m of post-6-Ma uplift would put the barrier.  “near the maximum elevation of the Bidahochi lacustrine facies”.  and would make spillover.  “feasible”.  That is the escape route the 2026 paper takes. ↩

    2. 27b.

      Page 1:  The in-Bouse ash correlates with.  “the 4.83 Ma Lawlor Tuff … erupted near San Francisco Bay”.  and this.  “is compatible both with the age (5.6 Ma) of a sub-Bouse tuff … and with the age (6 Ma) of the youngest dated tuff interbedded with lacustrine Hualapai Limestone.” ↩

  28. 28.

    Dorsey, Rebecca J. et al.  “Stratigraphic record of basin development within the San Andreas fault system: Late Cenozoic Fish Creek-Vallecito basin, southern California.”  Geology 35:57–60.  2007.  The first Colorado River.  “C-suite”.  sand at Split Mountain Gorge appears nine metres above the Miocene-Pliocene boundary, about 5.3 Ma.  The paper states explicitly that its result.  “does not inform the debate over a marine-estuary versus lacustrine origin for the Bouse Formation”.  and this article makes no claim on that question.  A 2007 paper on the rock record of a basin in the San Andreas fault system of southern California.  The article uses it for the date of the first Colorado River sand there, about 5.3 Ma. ↩

  29. 29.

    Karlstrom, Karl E. et al.  “Comment on Apatite 4He/3He and (U-Th)/He Evidence for an Ancient Grand Canyon.”  Science 340(6129):143.  Apr 12, 2013.  A technical comment in Science, printed as folio 143-b, by eleven geologists, including Dickinson and Lucchitta, on a paper by Flowers and Farley that argued the Grand Canyon is about 70 million years old.  The comment says the old-canyon helium data rest on one sample and conflict with other data, and that a shallow paleocanyon carved in the eastern canyon 25 to 15 million years ago can reconcile the two models.  The article uses it for the three technical objections the comment raises against the helium data.

    1. 29a.

      Page 143:  Karlstrom et al. 2013, p. 143-b, say that on the ensemble assumption the four-sample groupings.  “span several known faults and therefore may not have shared a common cooling history.”  On the single sample, the CP06-69 model.  “conflicts with the joint inversion of AFT and AHe data from nearby samples, which suggests those rocks cooled from ~60° to 40°C between ~40 and 25 Ma, compatible with ~1-km burial depth.”  On inherited helium, western samples.  “accumulated considerable radiation damage during residence in the AHe partial retention zone for >600 million years”.  and.  “may not have been heated enough during the Late Cretaceous time to fully anneal grains.” ↩

  30. 30.

    Abbott, Lon D.  “Reading the Record of Baselevel Change, River Incision, and Surface Uplift on the Colorado Plateau.”  AGU Advances 6:e2025AV001669.  2025.  A Viewpoint, a short essay in the journal AGU Advances, that summarises Tanski and colleagues' 2025 study of a knickzone, a wave of rapid cutting moving upstream along the Colorado River.  The article treats it as the best short statement of where the field stands, and uses it for the date of the river's modern course and for the statement that the puzzles of canyon cutting and plateau uplift remain unsolved.

    1. 30a.

      Page 1:  “the modern course of the Colorado River wasn't established until ∼5.3 Ma, when drainage integrated across the Colorado Plateau-Basin and Range boundary at the Grand Wash Cliffs.” ↩

    2. 30b.

      Page 1:  “Despite over 150 years of research, the intertwined puzzles of canyon incision and plateau uplift remain unsolved.” ↩

  31. 31.

    Karlstrom, Karl E. et al.  “Model for tectonically driven incision of the younger than 6 Ma Grand Canyon.”  Geology 36(11):835–838.  2008.  Page 835:  Their objection to reading speleothem ages as incision rates is stated as a falsification:  “the assumption that 'groundwater table decline rates are equivalent to incision rates' … is falsified by the modern hydrologic system.”  They also concede an internal problem in the same data, p. 837:  Page 837:  “caves giving similar ages occur at different heights … and caves of similar height give different ages, both of which negate the assumption of a strict incision rate significance for the dates.”  A short paper that builds a model of how the Grand Canyon has been cut in the last 6 million years, by researchers at the University of New Mexico and Los Alamos National Laboratory.  It reworks uranium-lead dates from cave mineral deposits (speleothems) that another team used to argue for a canyon older than 17 million years, and it finds steady cutting since 3–4 million years ago, at 175–250 metres per million years in the east and 50–80 in the west, which it attributes to fault block uplift.  The article uses it for the rate the authors give for the eastern canyon, which would cut the deepest part in about six million years.

    1. 31a.

      Page 837:  Western canyon river-corridor speleothems give 75 m/Myr over 3.87 Myr and 55 m/Myr over 2.17 Myr, and the combined data give.  “a long-term (4 Ma) steady incision rate of 78 m/Ma”.  and the eastern canyon data.  “suggest an overall steady average bedrock incision rate of 250 m/Ma, the rate needed to carve the deepest part of the eastern Grand Canyon (1.6 km) in ~6 Ma.” ↩

  32. 32.

    Lehnigk, Karin E. et al.  “Rates of bedrock canyon incision by megafloods, Channeled Scabland, eastern Washington, USA.”  Geological Society of America Bulletin 136(9–10):4398–4410.  2024.  The authors reconstructed the pre-flood land surface by extrapolating the profiles of hanging tributaries, then subtracted it from modern topography.  The article uses it for the physics of why a confined flood cuts far more rock than a spread-out one, and for the flood counts that bound how many floods cut the coulees.

    1. 32a.

      Upper Grand Coulee 67.8 km³ removed with a mean incision of 169 m, in 6 ± 1 floods; Moses Coulee 14.5 km³, 56 m, 6 ± 2 floods; Wilson Creek 1.6 km³, 10 m, 13 ± 14 floods.  Combined, 83.9 km³ from the three channels.  Against a total flood count near a hundred, the authors write:  “this would leave a maximum of 15-19 floods to predate upper Grand Coulee's incision.” ↩ ↩

    2. 32b.

      Section Results:  “the shear stresses generated in the 10-km-long reach of Moses Coulee were several times higher than those generated for the equivalent section of Wilson Creek, likely because the inundation in Moses Coulee is narrower than Wilson Creek (average width of 2.1 versus 5.1 km).”  Similar discharge, nine times the eroded volume, because the flow was confined. ↩

  33. 33.

    Heaton, Timothy H.  “A Young Grand Canyon?”  Skeptical Inquirer 19(3):33–36.  1995.  “For a young-earth creationist book it has reached a new level of scholarship,”.  “For the most part Austin's research is rigorous and deserves praise”.  “I concur with this analysis, as do many geologists.”  A review in the Skeptical Inquirer of Steven Austin's guidebook Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe (1994), which attributes the canyon's rock layers and erosion to recent Flood-related events.  Heaton is a professional geologist who corresponded with Austin before writing, and his review praises Austin's research while rejecting his logic.  He grants Austin's critique of uniformitarianism and says Austin cannot see long-term equilibrium in the canyon.  The article uses the reviewer's concessions, which carry weight because they come from a critic.

    1. 33a.

      “The fact that overland flow would have circumvented the Kaibab Plateau, rather than penetrating it, lead Austin to postulate that the first lake failed by enlargement of an underground conduit.”  Heaton also notes that.  “Austin doesn't attribute the carving of the Grand Canyon to Noah's Flood, but he considers it a catastrophic event occurring in the Flood's aftermath.” ↩

    2. 33b.

      “In equilibrium drainages the tributaries, even washes that only rarely carry water, meet the river exactly at its level, and slopes are controlled primarily by the hardness of the rock units.  Is the configuration of the Grand Canyon in equilibrium or relectual?  Unquestionably it is the former.”  The word "relectual" is a typo for "relictual" in the source and is quoted as printed.  On the Scabland analogy he adds:  “It would be hard to imagine two canyons more geomorphically dissimilar to one another.” ↩

  34. 34.

    Brown Jr., Walter T.  In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood.  9th draft edition.  Jan 2019.  Chapter The Origin of the Grand Canyon, pages 215–257.  A book-length creationist case for a worldwide Flood, built on Walt Brown's hydroplate theory.  The article uses it because Brown, not Austin, is the published source of the claim that two lakes carved the Grand Canyon in weeks, and of the waterfall discharge figure that the article tests.

    1. 34a.

      Page 215:  “we will consider two ancient, postflood lakes—Grand Lake and Hopi (HO-pee) Lake—that several centuries after the flood, breached their boundaries and carved the Grand Canyon in weeks.”  Brown, not Austin, is the published source of the claim that the canyon was carved in weeks.  Figure 119, page 214:  The Figure 119 caption gives Grand Lake as.  “almost twice that of Lake Michigan”.  and Hopi Lake as.  “roughly that in Lake Huron”.  That converts to about 3,200 cubic miles. ↩

    2. 34b.

      Page 228:  The waterfall released by undercutting Hopi Lake's rim was.  “roughly thirteen times higher than Niagara Falls and, for a few weeks, discharged more than a hundred times more water each second than Niagara Falls.”  Niagara's flow over the falls is on the order of 2,400 m³/s, so this is about 240,000 m³/s.  That conversion is this article's own arithmetic from a general figure for Niagara, not a hydrological citation, so readers should not lean on it. ↩

  35. 35.

    Oard, Michael J.  “The Origin of Grand Canyon Part V: Carved by Late Flood Channelized Erosion.”  Creation Research Society Quarterly 47(4):271–282.  2011.  The fifth part of Oard's series, which proposes that channelized floodwater carved Grand Canyon late in the Flood, after a sheet-flow phase had stripped the Colorado Plateau.  Oard himself calls the attempt speculative and open to future revision, and the article uses it as the creationist model that dispenses with the lakes.

    1. 35a.

      Section Abstract, page 271:  “Deep canyons, including Grand Canyon, were carved during this latter time by channelized currents flowing toward the west … The cutting through of the Kaibab Plateau was first initiated by the convergence of two currents, one from the northwest and the other from the southwest.”  Oard gives the preceding sheet-flow phase in Part IV:  Section Part IV, p. 146:  “The Great Denudation was accomplished by east to northeast flowing sheets of water, which left a cobble and boulder lag—the Rim Gravel—on the southwest Colorado Plateau.”  The model is qualitative. Where Oard demands volumes, shorelines and deltas from Austin he supplies none of his own: no discharge, no duration, no sediment budget, and no account of where the eroded rock went, which is the very objection he presses against the dam-breach model.  This article says so plainly, because it is the same defect on both sides. ↩

  36. 36.

    Oard, Michael J.  “The Origin of Grand Canyon—Part III: A Geomorphological Problem.”  Creation Research Society Quarterly 47(1):45–57.  2010.  The third part of Oard's series on the origin of Grand Canyon, arguing that the canyon is a water gap, one of more than a thousand places where a river cuts through a ridge.  Oard argues that the retreating stage of the Flood best explains water gaps, and that no dam-breach model easily explains them.  The article uses it for the water-gap argument.

    1. 36a.

      Pages 45, 57:  Quoted from the abstract (p. 45) and the summary (p. 57):  “it is a water gap—one of over a thousand catalogued across the Earth … Grand Canyon is not unique; more than 1,000 water gaps have been documented across the globe.  But geomorphologists cannot credibly explain the canyon or other water gaps.”  His examples include the Shoshone gap at Cody, Hells Canyon, the Delaware Water Gap and the Nenana gap through the Alaska Range.  The mainstream explanations are antecedence, superposition, stream capture and lake overflow.  Oard's real point, that none of them predicts which ridges will be gapped, survives all four, and this article concedes it. ↩

  37. 37.

    Austin, Steven A. et al.  “Remembering Spillover Erosion of Grand Canyon.”  Answers Research Journal 13:153–188.  2020.  Pages 175–176:  Endnotes 35–42 carry the priority dispute with Walt Brown.  Austin reports that Brown.  “claims Austin repositioned pages deceptively”.  and replies that.  “Brown is establishing his priority by a 'God argument'.”  A 2020 paper in the Answers in Genesis journal Answers Research Journal, defending the spillover model, in which a lake spilled over a highland arch and eroded the canyon through it.  The paper gives no discharge, no water budget and no sediment budget.  The article uses it as Austin's current defence of the model, and for the wording changes he made since his earlier work. ↩

    1. 37a.

      Page 155:  “Dr. Austin reported evidence that Grand Canyon was eroded in just a few weeks just thousands of years ago by catastrophic drainage of lakes.”  Page 166:  Edmond Holroyd writes:  “Perhaps the catastrophic release of three Great Lakes-worth of water carved the Grand Canyon in a few weeks by means of cavitation process rather than in millions of years.” ↩

    2. 37b.

      Page 176:  “Austin, like the other spillover advocates, does not invoke a separate lake in Utah as being a contributing cause to the initial breaching of Kaibab Upwarp.”  Compare Austin 1994, where Canyonlands Lake cuts Marble Canyon and Vernal Lake follows. ↩

  38. 38.

    Meek, Norman, and John Douglass.  “Lake Overflow: An Alternative Hypothesis for Grand Canyon Incision and Development of the Colorado River.”  Colorado River: Origin and Evolution, 199–205.  Grand Canyon Association.  Edited by R. A. Young and E. E. Spamer.  2001.  A chapter, number 30 in its volume, that revisits Eliot Blackwelder's 1934 idea that a chain of lake overflows, not a river that always flowed to the sea, built the Colorado River's route.  The authors use the Mojave River as an analogue: after the Afton subbasin breached about 18 ka (thousands of years ago), a 120 m drop in base level produced a deeply dissected landscape, and more than 99 percent of the lake clays eroded away, so they warn against rejecting lake overflow just because no lake deposits survive upstream of Grand Canyon.  The article uses it to show that lake spillover was not a creationist invention: Blackwelder proposed it in 1934, and Meek and Douglass set out the detailed version in 2001.

    1. 38a.

      Section Abstract, page 199:  “the Colorado River could have developed by the episodic downstream extension of its trunk channel from multiple lake-overflow events between ~10 and 4 Ma.”  Note episodic and multiple: their mechanism is a chain of separate spillovers spread across about six million years, each filling a basin and breaching it, not one event. ↩

    2. 38b.

      Page 203:  “Just as a large lake overspilled the Manix Basin and initiated the incision of Afton Canyon, we propose that a large lake spilled westward across the Kaibab Plateau, initiating Grand Canyon incision.”  They accept the Muddy Creek constraint on the same page. ↩

    3. 38c.

      Page 203:  “Because lake-outlet water flowed to a base level in the Lake Mead area that was ~1500 m lower than the spillover point … the channel slope was sufficiently steep to initiate Grand Canyon incision, which probably then created knickpoints that rapidly worked their way upstream.  The rate of incision must have been very high.”  They also argue from the Mojave analogue that upstream lake sediments are the first thing a spillover destroys, an argument creationists can fairly borrow, and one that is, precisely, unfalsifiable. ↩

  39. 39.

    Lamb, Michael P., and Mark A. Fonstad.  “Rapid formation of a modern bedrock canyon by a single flood event.”  Nature Geoscience 3:477–481.  2010.  “Most bedrock river canyons are thought to be cut slowly over millions of years (for example, Grand Canyon, USA).”  Any citation of the paper that omits that sentence is quoting it against its author.  A 2010 paper on Canyon Lake Gorge, Comal County, Texas.  The article uses it for the claim that canyons can be cut in days.  The paper's own first sentence reads:

    1. 39a.

      Section Abstract, page 477:  The abstract says that the flood.  “moved metre-sized boulders, excavated ∼7 m of limestone and transformed a soil-mantled valley into a bedrock canyon in just ∼3 days.”  Total erosion about 4.6 × 10⁵ m³ over 2.2 km; peak daily-average discharge 1,461 m³/s; three residents independently estimated most of the erosion occurred in the first three to four days. ↩

    2. 39b.

      Page 480:  Their closing sentence gives the mechanism's limit:  “it seems plausible that erosion of well-jointed rock by large floods might be extremely rapid, such that canyon formation is limited by the capacity of the flood to transport plucked blocks rather than by the plucking processes itself.”  The conditional matters: it applies to well-jointed rock. ↩

  40. 40.

    Austin, Steven A.  “Rapid Erosion at Mount St. Helens.”  Institute for Creation Research research pages.  n.d.  “downcut the rockslide and pyroclastic flow deposits north of the volcano”.  “A miniature 'Grand Canyon' over 100 feet deep”.  Figure 6:  The caption reads:  “The flat plain of pumice deposited on May 18, 1980, was eroded to a depth of more than 100 feet by August 1984.”  A web page by Steven Austin on the Institute for Creation Research site, describing erosion of volcanic deposits at Mount St. Helens after the 1980 eruption.  In it he says the 19 March 1982 mudflow downcut the deposits north of the volcano and produced a miniature Grand Canyon over 100 feet deep.  The article accepts his observation that a dendritic (branching) drainage network and amphitheatre-headed side canyons can form in a day, and concedes that such shapes do not date a landscape. ↩

  41. 41.

    Antón, Loreto et al.  “Exceptional river gorge formation from unexceptional floods.”  Nature Communications 6:7963.  2015.  A research paper on the Ricobayo dam spillway in northwest Spain, where an unlined spillway cut about 100 m down and 160 m across into unweathered granite over six years.  The article uses it to show that the joints and faults in the rock, not the size of the floods, set how fast a gorge forms.

    1. 41a.

      From the abstract.  “The amount of erosion demonstrates no relationship with flood magnitude or bedload availability.  Instead, structural pattern of the bedrock through faults and joints appears to be the primary control on landscape change.  These discontinuities facilitate rapid erosion (>270 m headward retreat; ~100 m incision; and ~160 m widening over 6 years) principally through fluvial plucking and block topple.” ↩

  42. 42.

    Whipple, Kelin X. et al.  “River incision into bedrock: Mechanics and relative efficacy of plucking, abrasion, and cavitation.”  Geological Society of America Bulletin 112(3):490–503.  2000.  On cavitation, the mechanism Austin and Holroyd propose for the Grand Canyon, the authors are careful and this article follows them.  They allow that it is possible:  “For flow depths in excess of 10 m”.  “Direct field evidence of cavitation erosion is, however, lacking.”  Twenty-six years on, that is still true, and cavitation in natural channels carries no evidential weight for either side.  A research paper on how rivers cut into bedrock, comparing plucking (blocks breaking loose along cracks), abrasion (grinding by sand carried in the water) and cavitation (damage from collapsing vapour bubbles).  The article uses it for the finding that the spacing of cracks in the rock, called joints, decides which of these processes does the cutting, and for its caution about cavitation.

    1. 42a.

      Section Abstract:  “the relative efficacy of the various processes of fluvial erosion … is a strong function of substrate lithology, and that joint spacing, fractures, and bedding planes exert the most direct control.  We find that plucking dominates wherever rocks are well jointed on a submeter scale … In more massive rocks, abrasion by suspended sand appears to be rate limiting.”  Their measured threshold:  “Minimum joint spacings observed in abrasion-dominated reaches range from 1-1.5 m in the Sierra Nevada drainages studied up to 3-5 m on the Indus River in Pakistan.” ↩ ↩

  43. 43.

    Lamb, Michael P. et al.  “Amphitheater-headed canyons formed by megaflooding at Malad Gorge, Idaho.”  PNAS 111(1):57–62.  2014.  The canyon-forming discharge is.  “approximately sevenfold the largest historic discharge of the Wood River (181 m3/s over a 98-y record).”  A study of three canyon heads cut into the same basalt at Malad Gorge, Idaho: two amphitheatre-headed and cut by a flood about 46 ka, and one with the active Wood River retreating at 2.5 cm/yr for at least 33 ka.  The article uses it because one basalt flow holds both a canyon cut by a single flood and a canyon cut slowly. ↩

  44. 44.

    O'Connor, Jim E., and Victor R. Baker.  “Magnitudes and implications of peak discharges from glacial Lake Missoula.”  Geological Society of America Bulletin 104(3):267–279.  1992.  A 1992 field and hydraulic study of how much water left glacial Lake Missoula in its floods.  The authors mapped high-water evidence at two sites, Spokane Valley and Wallula Gap, and used a step-backwater computer model to turn those marks into peak discharges.  They argue that the largest flood came from a sudden failure of the ice dam, and the article uses their figures as the best measured numbers for the Channeled Scabland floods.

    1. 44a.

      Section Abstract, page 267:  “Within the Spokane Valley, near the point of release, the peak discharge probably exceeded 17 ± 3 million m³·sec⁻¹.  Downstream at Wallula Gap … peak discharge was about 10 ± 2.5 million m³·sec⁻¹.  Flow duration was on the order of several days.  These are the largest known terrestrial fresh-water flows.”  The 2020 review revises the peak to about 20 million m3/s near the outlet.  Page 276:  Lake volume available for flooding: 2,184 km³. ↩ ↩

  45. 45.

    O'Connor, Jim E. et al.  “The Missoula and Bonneville floods—A review of ice-age megafloods in the Columbia River basin.”  Earth-Science Reviews 208:103181.  2020.  A review of the ice-age floods of the Columbia River basin, from glacial Lake Missoula and from pluvial Lake Bonneville, the predecessor of Great Salt Lake.  It draws on stratigraphy, varve counts, radiocarbon and other dating, and two-dimensional flow models, and it concludes that Lake Missoula was producing floods for at least 3–4 thousand years between about 20 and 14 thousand years ago.  The article uses it for the count of the Missoula floods and for the dating of the lake.

    1. 45a.

      Section How Many Floods?:  “at least 31 rhythmites overlying the tephra were counted … summing to at least 59 floods.  Adding these 31 post-Set-S beds in the Pasco Basin to the 72 preceding Set S at Manila Creek indicates at least 103 floods … at least 104, possibly 109 floods … Most or all of these records are likely incomplete so the actual flood total is likely greater.”  The lake was.  Section Abstract:  “extant and producing floods for at least 3-4 ky during 20-14 ka.”  For contrast, they note that the Bonneville flood.  Section A Singular Flood:  “was a one-time event.” ↩

  46. 46.

    Larsen, Isaac J., and Michael P. Lamb.  “Progressive incision of the Channeled Scablands by outburst floods.”  Nature 538:229–232.  2016.  Two-dimensional water-flow simulations of Moses Coulee, a channel in the Channeled Scablands, at four reconstructed stages of its own incision.  The article cites it as one of the remeasurements that made the floods smaller, because the older method assumed the water filled the finished canyon.

    1. 46a.

      Section Abstract, page 229:  “accounting for erosion thresholds during canyon incision results in near-constant discharges that are five- to ten-fold smaller than full-to-the-brim estimates for Moses Coulee.”  Page 230:  Their physical idea:  “well-jointed rock that is subject to megaflooding may behave more like a bed of sediment with limited or no cohesion … Such bedrock channels cannot withstand large discharges or shear stresses that greatly exceed the threshold for plucking.”  Page 229:  On the comparison with other canyons:  “In the case of other bedrock canyons that formed over millions of years, such as the Grand Canyon, USA, water flows that were responsible for carving the canyon had depths that were always a small fraction of the canyon relief.” ↩

  47. 47.

    van der Bilt, Willem G. M. et al.  “Late Holocene canyon-carving floods in northern Iceland were smaller than previously reported.”  Communications Earth & Environment 2:66.  2021.  Section Abstract:  “we … confirm that flow peaks during these events were at most a third of previous estimates.  Nevertheless, exposure ages suggests that nearby knickpoints retreated by more than 2 km during these floods.  These findings support a growing consensus that the extent of bedrock erosion is not necessarily controlled by discharge.”  The earlier work it revises is Baynes and colleagues in PNAS in 2015, which measured a step function at Dettifoss: below about 8.1 m of water depth, some 3,250 m³/s, essentially nothing happens; above it, knickpoints run kilometres.  A research article that re-estimates the peak flows of the floods that carved canyons in northern Iceland in the late Holocene, the last few thousand years.  It finds that the flood peaks were at most a third of earlier estimates, while knickpoints (steps in a river bed) still retreated by more than 2 km.  The article uses it as one of the remeasurements that have cut earlier flood estimates. ↩

  48. 48.

    Vardiman, Larry et al.  “Summary of Evidence for a Young Earth from the RATE Project.”  Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth, Volume II, chapter 10, 735–772.  Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, California.  2005.  A chapter that summarises the RATE project's case, drawn from radioactive dating, that the Earth is young.  The article uses it for the team's claim that radioactive decay was sped up in past episodes, which it places in creation week and in the Flood.

    1. 48a.

      The episodes are placed during creation week and during the Flood, and no post-Flood episode is proposed.  Page 766:  “Nuclear decay processes were accelerated during episodes in earth history.”  Page 759:  “nuclear decay of any sort occurring during Creation week (let alone accelerated decay)”.  Page 756:  “an episode of accelerated nuclear decay during the Flood”. ↩

  49. 49.

    Tweet, Justin S. et al.  “An inventory of packrat (Neotoma spp.) middens in National Park Service areas.”  Vertebrate Coprolites, New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science Bulletin 57, 355–364.  2012.  Page 355:  “Plants and other items incorporated into the middens are gathered within a radius of approximately 30 to 50 m … from a den”.  “Individual middens are thought to have been active over short periods of time, up to a few years”.  “blocks of asphalt with the consistency and mass of an unfired adobe brick”.  A survey of packrat midden sites in National Park Service areas, printed in a volume on vertebrate coprolites (fossil droppings).  It describes where packrats gather the plants for a midden, how long a midden stays in use, and what a fossil midden is like.  The article uses it to explain that a dated midden records a dry alcove at a given elevation and date. ↩

  50. 50.

    Brown, Robert H.  “Correlation of C-14 Age with Real Time.”  Creation Research Society Quarterly 29(1):45–47.  Jun 1992.  A 1992 paper that turns radiocarbon ages into calendar years, with the Flood at 5,350 years before present and initial post-Flood carbon-14 at f = 0.011 ± 0.004 of the modern equilibrium level, recovering with an e-folding scale near 1,350 years.  It tests the formula on a frozen musk ox from Alaska and on the dung of ground sloths in Rampart Cave, where Table I on page 46 gives the conversion.  The article uses it as the one specific creationist attempt to explain Rampart Cave, and it grants Brown's point that the raw dung rate is unrealistic. ↩

    1. 50a.

      Page 46:  “Approximately 39,000 dung pellets accumulated in the main area of this cave between 40 and 20 thousand C-14 years BP.  An average of 1.9 pellets per year … is unrealistic for a viable population of sloths in the vicinity of the cave.  Converting 40,000 and 20,000 to 5348 and 5271 years real-time gives a 77 year interval and about 1.4 dung pellets per day.” ↩

    2. 50b.

      Page 46:  “Use of Equation 8 for C-14 ages greater than 34,000 is highly questionable.”  He then applies it to a 40,000-year date. ↩

  51. 51.

    McKee, Edwin D.  “Ancient Sandstones Considered to be Eolian.”  A Study of Global Sand Seas, U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1052.  Edited by Edwin D. McKee.  1979.  Page 197:  “covers about 32,000 square miles (51,500 km2)”.  The Coconino is over 300 m thick near Pine, and its cross-strata curve.  “to form a tangent with the underlying bounding plane.”  A chapter in a 1979 U.S. Geological Survey volume on the world's sand seas, on ancient sandstones thought to have been deposited by wind (eolian).  Its Coconino section runs from printed pp. 197-203.  The article uses it for the Coconino's size and for the standard reading of it as wind-blown desert dunes. ↩

    1. 51a.

      Pages 199–200:  “A detailed analysis made in 1945 of ripple marks in the Coconino, in which about 50 sets were examined, shows compelling evidence, on the basis of five characteristics, that the ripple marks were wind formed … 1. Large ripple index (lowest was 17; most were considerably higher).  2. Ripple crests were definitely rounded in all specimens.  3. A concentration of coarser sand grains occurred on or about the crests in most specimens.  4. All specimens in situ had crests trending up and down surfaces of sloping laminae; none was normal to dip.  5. Crests and troughs were straight and parallel.”  Whitmore and Garner independently confirm the fourth criterion, that Coconino ripples are.  “always parallel to dip”.  and do not engage the other four. ↩

    2. 51b.

      Pages 202–203:  “On loose sand derived from the Coconino and deposited at high angles (25 deg -28 deg) comparable to that in crossbedding of the Coconino, a chuckwalla lizard was enticed to walk both up and down the surfaces of dry loose sand, damp (sprayed) sand with a crust, and wet sand.  Only in dry sand, uphill, could footprints be formed similar in size and clarity to those of the Coconino.”  Page 202:  The uphill statistic, from the trackways:  “'with only three exceptions out of many hundreds examined, were all leading uphill.'” ↩

    3. 51c.

      Page 203:  “These animals were too light to leave trails in wet or damp sand and were unable to effectively climb slopes steeper than about 20 deg.  The similarity is strong between millipede trails formed under experimental conditions and invertebrate markings in certain low-angle beds of the Coconino.” ↩

  52. 52.

    Marchetti, Lorenzo et al.  “Paleozoic Vertebrate Ichnology of Grand Canyon National Park.”  Grand Canyon National Park Centennial Paleontological Resource Inventory, 333–379.  National Park Service Natural Resource Report.  2020.  “Tetrapod ichnotaxonomy in eolian paleoenvironments (Coconino and De Chelly formations, Arizona) and late Cisuralian (Permian) sauropsid radiation”.  Chapter 9 of a Park Service inventory of the park's fossils, on the tracks of Paleozoic vertebrates.  The chapter rests on a 2019 paper by Marchetti, Voigt, Lucas, Francischini, Dentzien-Dias, Sacchi, Mangiacotti, Scali, Gazzola, Ronchi and Millhouse, in Earth-Science Reviews 190:148–170; its author list includes three herpetologists from a Milan lizard-behaviour group, so it draws on its own live-animal work rather than on authority.  The article uses it for the revised reading of the Coconino tracks.

    1. 52a.

      Pages 361–362:  The first sentence begins on p. 361 and the passage continues on p. 362.  “Trackways with closely spaced tracks were interpreted as subaerial upslope progression by McKee (1944, 1947), and trackways with very asymmetric patterns were interpreted as subaqueous current-driven lateral progression (Brand and Tang 1991).  This latter hypothesis was rejected by Loope (1992), Lockley (1992) and Marchetti et al. (2019b), also because of the clear eolian origin of the Coconino Sandstone lithofacies.”  The mechanism:  “the track morphology is strongly influenced by gravity and thus by sliding of the digits during the trackmaker's locomotion.  So, most of the previous ichnotaxonomic assignments were incorrect because they interpreted digit drag marks as actual digit impressions.”  The revision invalidated the ichnogenera Chelichnus and Laoporus, and with them the standard eolian tetrapod ichnofacies concept.  The same phenomenon is reported from the De Chelly Sandstone of Arizona and the Corncockle Sandstone of Scotland. ↩ ↩

    2. 52b.

      Page 362:  Once slope effects are subtracted, the Coconino ichnoassociation comprises.  “cf. Amphisauropus isp., cf. Dromopus isp., Erpetopus isp., Ichniotherium sphaerodactylum, cf. Tambachichnium isp. and Varanopus curvidactylus”.  That is the same fauna as in contemporary non-desert assemblages.  Page 359:  The tracks alone give the Coconino an independent Kungurian (early Permian) age. ↩

  53. 53.

    Helble, Timothy K.  “Sediment Transport and the Coconino Sandstone: A Reality Check on Flood Geology.”  Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith 63(1):25–41.  Mar 2011.  A critique of flood geology in the form of a mass balance, a count of how much material moves in and out, run on Austin's own inputs to ask whether his flood could have moved the sand of the Coconino Sandstone.  The author is a retired National Weather Service hydrologist and a co-editor of the 2016 Kregel volume.  The work lists nine assumptions as favourable to the young-earth side.  The article uses it for the arithmetic that shows the flood could not have deposited the Coconino.

    1. 53a.

      Page 34:  “To form the Coconino in Austin's Flood scenario, 42,000 km3 of sand would need to be transported across the 1,600 km long northern boundary in twelve days.  However, the volume just calculated — 26 km3 — is only about 1/1,600 of the required amount.”  The chain is 30 kg/sec/m × 3,600 × 24 × 1.6 × 10⁶ m × 12 days ÷ 1,900 kg/m³.  Austin's own transport rate is 3.0 kg/sec/m;  Helble multiplies it by ten. ↩

  54. 54.

    Whitmore, John H., and Paul A. Garner.  “Helble's critique of creationist research on the Coconino Sandstone fails.”  Proceedings of the 2025 New Scholars International Conference on Creationism.  Cedarville University.  Edited by John H. Whitmore.  2025.  Page 32.  A one-page abstract, not a full paper, in a conference volume that its first author edited.  It answers Timothy Helble's critique of creationist work on the Coconino.  Its real dispute is whether the sandstone was laid down by wind or under water, and on that it lists eleven lines of evidence but argues none of them; the authors promise fuller work, which has not appeared.  The article uses it as the creationist reply to Helble's arithmetic. ↩

  55. 55.

    Whitmore, John H., and Paul A. Garner.  “The Coconino Sandstone (Permian, Arizona, USA): Implications for the Origin of Ancient Cross-bedded Sandstones.”  Proceedings of the Eighth International Conference on Creationism, 581–627.  2018.  Funded by Cedarville University, the Biblical Creation Trust and the Institute for Creation Research.  How strongly they put it:  Page 581:  “new data has been collected by us and others that we believe indisputably identifies the Coconino as a subaqueous sandstone.”  A long creationist review of the Coconino Sandstone by John Whitmore of Cedarville University and Paul Garner of the Biblical Creation Trust, printed in the proceedings of an international creationist conference.  It argues that the sandstone was laid down under water rather than by wind, and it is the fullest version of the creationist case, with about 500 references.  The article uses it for the creationists' own admission that no modern sand deposit matches the Coconino.

    1. 55a.

      Pages 581, 621:  “There are no modern analogs that match the precise sedimentology of the Coconino, but we believe that subaqueous sand waves may be a start in the right direction to understand how the Coconino was deposited.” ↩

  56. 56.

    Austin, Steven A.  “Nautiloid mass kill and burial event, Redwall Limestone (Lower Mississippian), Grand Canyon region, Arizona and Nevada.”  Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference on Creationism, 55–99.  Creation Science Fellowship, Pittsburgh.  2003.  A conference paper by Steven Austin of the Institute for Creation Research on a persistent bed of lime packstone within the Redwall Limestone, which he names the Whitmore Nautiloid Bed.  The paper argues that one rapid, sediment-choked flow, which it calls a hyperconcentrated flow, killed and buried the large nautiloids in the bed across the region.  The article uses it for the bed itself, for Austin's fieldwork and counts, for his claim of billions of fossils, and for the fact that it never mentions Noah. ↩

    1. 56a.

      Page 55:  “This is the first documentation in the geological literature of a regionally extensive hyperconcentrated sediment gravity flow upon a marine carbonate platform.”  The paper contains no reference to Noah, Genesis or a global flood. ↩

    2. 56b.

      Page 66:  “The areal distribution of the platform facies of WNB, therefore, appears to exceed 1.5 x 10^4 km^2 (1.5 x 10^10 m^2).  With a density of nautiloids approaching 1 fossil per m^2, billions of nautiloid fossils are likely to occur within WNB throughout the Grand Canyon region.”  The same page gives the facies areas and volumes, the palinspastically restored 200 km transport distance (the rocks' positions before later movement), and the count of more than a thousand fossils.

    3. 56c.

      Page 66:  “Observations and measurement were made on more than one thousand nautiloid fossils within WNB.”  Page 68:  The size histogram, Figure 10, has n = 403.  Page 71:  The rose diagrams, Figure 12, which chart compass directions, total 337 orientations.  Page 87:  The locality register states that "Localities for study of Whitmore Nautiloid Bed (WNB) are numbered from 1 to 63 in Figure 1." ↩

    4. 56d.

      Pages 60–62:  At Nautiloid Canyon, Austin writes:  “Eighty large orthocone nautiloids lie on a nearly coplanar surface of 320 m^2,”.  “the exposure of nautiloids is not optimum across a significant portion of the 320-m^2 surface.  Where the exposure is optimum, the average density within the bed is greater than 2 nautiloids per m^2.”  Eighty shells on 320 m^2 is 0.25 per m^2, and it is the only raw count in the paper with a measured area attached. ↩

    5. 56e.

      Page 55:  “Bed area exceeds 3 x 10^4 km^2 and bed volume exceeds 100 km^3.”  Austin states in the abstract (p. 55) and in the conclusion (p. 79) that nautiloids are rare or not characteristic of the slope facies, so the nautiloid-bearing area is the platform facies alone.  Page 66:  Page 66 gives the platform facies alone as exceeding 1.5 x 10^4 km^2, about half the 3 x 10^4 km^2 that ministry literature converts to "10,500 square miles." ↩

    6. 56f.

      Pages 60, 62, 73–74, 79:  A massive, poorly sorted bed with inverse grading in the lower half; syringoporoid and lithostrontionoid coral colonies over 20 cm across suspended in mid-bed, requiring a dispersion denser than the corals; and fluid-escape pipe structures matched to laboratory experiments at 25-45% solids by volume.  Page 69:  “None was observed with apical end upward”.  The vertical nautiloids stand apex-down.  Page 79:  The energy figures, sediment mass 1.9 x 10^14 kg and kinetic energy about 4 x 10^15 J, are on this page.  Austin's own weakest link is the vertical shells: he says at this page that a "rapid freeze of the dispersion is required in order to capture vertical orientations,"  Page 70:  His one published precedent, James Quinn on Rayonnoceras in the Fayetteville Shale, is misreported on this page.  Quinn attributes the upright posture to buoyancy and rules out turbulent transport by name. ↩

  57. 57.

    Snelling, Andrew A.  “What Are Some of the Best Flood Evidences?”  Answers in Genesis.  n.d.  “billions of straight-shelled, chambered nautiloids are found fossilized … in a 7 feet (2 m) thick layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon.  This fossil graveyard stretches for 180 miles (290 km) across northern Arizona and into southern Nevada, covering an area of at least 10,500 square miles (30,000 km2).”  Three departures from the paper it cites: the 30,000 km² is Austin's platform plus slope facies, and Austin says twice that nautiloids are rare or absent in the slope facies, so the nautiloid-bearing area is about half that; the 100 km³ is likewise the two facies together, of which only 30 km³ carries nautiloids; and the 290 km is Austin's un-restored present-day map distance, whereas his own flow model runs on the 200 km palinspastic distance.  A web article on the Answers in Genesis site, a creationist ministry, that lists a bed of fossil nautiloids (shelled relatives of the squid) in the Grand Canyon among the best evidence for Noah's Flood.  The article uses it to show how the ministry presents that bed, and then tests the figures it gives. ↩ ↩

  58. 58.

    White, David.  “Flora of the Hermit Shale, Grand Canyon, Arizona.”  Carnegie Institution of Washington Publication 405.  1929.  Pages 8–9.  A 1929 report by David White, a research associate of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, on the fossil plants (the flora) of the Hermit Shale, a red rock layer in the canyon walls.  The article uses it as an early description of deep sun-cracks at the top of the Hermit, filled with Coconino sand, which were open before the sand arrived. ↩

    1. 58a.

      Pages 8–9:  “In some areas this red surface, which was slightly muddy, seems to have been intensely shrunken and cracked to extraordinary depths, as though under very intense heat of the sun.  Irregular fissures or 'sun-cracks' reaching a maximum width of over 15 inches and extending downward to depths of 25 feet or more into the red rock material of the Hermit may be seen on the west side of the Bright Angel trail … They were filled with the inswept light-colored Coconino sand … That the fissures once stood open before the outspread of the Coconino sand is shown by 'inclusions' or infallen pieces of red shale, caught in the light-colored sand in the deep cracks.  The irregular branching of the fissures in different directions horizontally and their distribution in the Canyon seems to preclude their explanation by earthquake.” ↩

  59. 59.

    Roth, Ariel A.  Flat Gaps Challenge Long Geologic Ages.  Geoscience Research Institute.  2012.  A short public statement by Ariel Roth, PhD, arguing that flat gaps (paraconformities) in the Grand Canyon and elsewhere show very little or no weathering or erosion, so they formed fast during the Genesis Flood rather than over millions of years.  The technical version is a 2009 Journal of Creation paper, "'Flat Gaps' in sedimentary rock layers challenge long geologic ages," volume 23(2), pages 76–81.  The article uses it for the flat-gap argument and for its figure of two miles of erosion. ↩

    1. 59a.

      Figure 1:  “At the lowest arrow, both the Ordovician and Silurian periods are missing, yet the contact is nearly flat.  Average continental rates of erosion during that time would be expected to erode down through two miles, which is twice the depth of the Grand Canyon.” ↩

  60. 60.

    McKee, Edwin D.  “Stratified Rocks of the Grand Canyon.”  The Colorado River Region and John Wesley Powell, U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 669.  1969.  Chapter B of a 1969 U.S. Geological Survey volume that honored John Wesley Powell on the hundredth anniversary of his 1869 exploration of the Colorado River.  The article quotes it for the flat, even surface of the pre-Mississippian unconformity and for the absence of large uplift there.

    1. 60a.

      Page 44:  “A pre-Mississippian unconformity is represented by a flat, even surface between dolomite units of Devonian (locally Cambrian) age and Mississippian age in eastern Grand Canyon, but in many places it is obscure.  Farther west, the unconformity is marked by a surface of slight relief and local conglomerates … but is still not conspicuous.  Nowhere is there evidence of large uplift that would cause marked dissection of the region.”  On the same page he describes the Temple Butte channels,  “as much as 100 feet or more deep”.  mapped by Noble.  “along a 28-mile stretch of Grand Canyon walls.” ↩

  61. 61.

    Snelling, Andrew A.  “The Case of the 'Missing' Geologic Time.”  Creation 14(3):30–35.  1992.  Section In the Grand Canyon:  “Creationists do recognize significant erosion surfaces between rock strata in the Grand Canyon, but unlike evolutionary geologists have concluded that these erosion breaks do not represent large time breaks.”  Section The Redwall-Muav Contact:  He concedes on the same page that.  “there is often good evidence of erosion, such as gullies and stream channels at the boundary between the Temple Butte and the Muav”.  and elsewhere that.  “Apart from these rare exceptions, the boundary … [is] flat and featureless.”  Section On the North Kaibab Trail:  The National Park Service sign he quotes is worth having:  “Rocks of Ordovician and Silurian Periods are missing in Grand Canyon.”  A 1992 article in Creation, republished by Answers in Genesis, that argues the erosion breaks between the Grand Canyon's rock layers are not large gaps in time.  Its case rests on the Redwall-Muav contact on the North Kaibab Trail, where the Temple Butte Limestone is absent; it also rests on a 1986 Creation Research Society field survey, and it concedes that gullies and stream channels are often seen at the boundary elsewhere.  The article uses it as the creationist account of the canyon's flagship flat gap, which it then tests against the USGS map. ↩

  62. 62.

    Dehler, Carol et al.  “The Cambrian of the Grand Canyon: Refinement of a classic stratigraphic model.”  GSA Today 34(11):4–11.  2024.  Section Abstract, page 4:  “Instead of McKee's interpretation of one major transgression with only minor regressions, there are at least five stratigraphic sequences, of which the lower three are separated by disconformities.”  A review of how the Cambrian rocks of the Grand Canyon are interpreted since Edwin McKee's 1945 model.  The authors measured or updated more than 50 stratigraphic sections across the 500-km-wide Grand Canyon region, identified 169 new fossil localities and seven trilobite zones, and found at least five sequences where McKee saw one transgression.  The article uses it for the authors' statement that gaps in the rock record are expected on a flat, stable, pre-vegetated margin. ↩

    1. 62a.

      Page 8:  “The majority of the Tonto Group above the Sixtymile Formation was deposited in paralic environments on a flat, stable margin of the Laurentia in a pre-vegetated, tropical setting … Given the overall low-relief topography … in combination with sea-level fluctuations, the presence of unconformities within the succession is expected.”  Their three intra-Tonto disconformities are identified.  “on the basis of missing biozone intervals, erosional features, and facies changes”.  and one is.  “locally incised with a relief of >1.5 m across a 5-m horizontal interval.”  They also state the limit of the evidence:  “The rocks of the Tonto Group are poorly fossiliferous, and no individual section contains a continuous fossiliferous succession.” ↩

  63. 63.

    Winograd, Isaac J., and William Thordarson.  “Hydrogeologic and Hydrochemical Framework, South-Central Great Basin, Nevada-California, with Special Reference to the Nevada Test Site.”  U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 712-C.  1975.  Table 1, page C11:  Table 1 gives the measured Paleozoic section 250 km west of the Grand Canyon: undifferentiated Devonian and Silurian dolomite 1,415 ft; Ely Springs Dolomite 305 ft; Eureka Quartzite 340 ft; Antelope Valley Limestone 1,530 ft; Ninemile Formation 335 ft; Goodwin Limestone about 900 ft.  Roughly 3,400 ft of Ordovician and 1,415 ft of Silurian–Devonian, in the interval that is a knife-edge gap in the canyon.  A U.S. Geological Survey report on the ground water beneath the Nevada Test Site, prepared for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, which in 1957 asked the Survey to study the ground water and the potential for its contamination.  It divides the rocks there into 10 hydrogeologic units.  The article uses it for the thickness of the Ordovician and Silurian–Devonian carbonate rock at the Nevada Test Site, about 250 km west of the canyon, where the canyon's own section has a gap. ↩

  64. 64.

    Snelling, Andrew A. et al.  “Radioisotopes in the Diabase Sill (Upper Precambrian) at Bass Rapids, Grand Canyon, Arizona: An Application and Test of the Isochron Dating Method.”  Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference on Creationism, 269–284.  2003.  Five isochrons, with two-sigma ranges: K-Ar whole rock 841.5 ± 164 (677-1006); Rb-Sr whole rock 1055 ± 46 (1009-1101); Rb-Sr minerals 1059 ± 48 (1011-1107); Pb-Pb whole rock 1249 ± 140 (1109-1389); Sm-Nd minerals 1375 ± 170 (1205-1545).  The two that bracket the 2024 zircon age of 1098.16 ± 0.59 Ma are the two they themselves describe as the best behaved.  Its abstract says that the isochron "ages".  “range from 841.5±164 Ma (whole-rock K-Ar) to 1375±170 Ma (mineral Sm-Nd) … It is therefore argued that only changing radioisotope decay rates in the past could account for these discordant isochron 'ages' for the same geologic event.”  Page 272:  Their own sample list also records neighbouring K-Ar samples two metres apart at 866 ± 24 and 728 ± 20 Ma.  A 2003 paper by three Institute for Creation Research scientists that dates the Bass Rapids diabase sill in the Grand Canyon with four radioisotope methods, on eleven whole-rock samples and six mineral separates from one of them.  Its isochron "ages" disagree widely, from 841.5 to 1375 million years, and the authors argue that only changing decay rates in the past could explain that; the Rb-Sr whole-rock and mineral ages agree best with each other.  The article uses it for the discordant isochrons and for the pattern in them that the authors read as accelerated decay. ↩

    1. 64a.

      Page 282:  In a passage describing.  “contamination of the whole-rock Sm-Nd radioisotope system in the granophyre immediately adjacent to the overlying hornfels wall-rock.”  Hornfels is a baked, recrystallised contact-metamorphic rock; its presence requires that the Bass Formation and Hakatai Shale were coherent rock when the magma arrived, and it is RATE's own paper that reports it. ↩ ↩

    2. 64b.

      Section Abstract, page 269:  “Furthermore, these data are consistent with alpha decay having been accelerated more than beta decay, and with the longer the present half-life the greater being the acceleration factor.”  The order at Bass Rapids is K-Ar (electron capture, 1.25-billion-year half-life) 841.5; Rb-Sr (beta, 49 billion) 1055; Pb-Pb (alpha, 0.7 and 4.5 billion) 1249; Sm-Nd (alpha, 106 billion) 1375. ↩

  65. 65.

    Tingle, Kelly E. et al.  “Organic preservation of vase-shaped microfossils from the late Tonian Chuar Group, Grand Canyon, Arizona, USA.”  Geobiology 21:389–406.  2023.  “the VSMs are preserved with original organic test material.”  A research article in Geobiology, a laboratory study of two thin sections of black shale from the Walcott Member of the Chuar Group in the eastern canyon.  The authors used microscopes, scanning electron microscopy, and X-ray and Raman spectroscopy to test whether the walls of these microfossils are original organic material, and they found that the walls are organic and sometimes replaced by pyrite.  Vase-shaped microfossils are the earliest evidence for testate amoebae, and their first appearance is dated to about 741 million years by the Chuar Group's own age model.  The article uses it as the study showing that these microfossils kept their original organic walls. ↩

  66. 66.

    Dehler, Carol et al.  “Precise U-Pb age models refine Neoproterozoic western Laurentian rift initiation, correlation, and Earth system changes.”  Precambrian Research 396:107156.  2023.  A 2023 paper that refines the dating of the Chuar Group in the Grand Canyon, using uranium-lead dates on zircon grains and a statistical age model.  Its Section 2.1 gives the Chuar Group's dates from three decay systems: uranium-lead on ash zircon 729.0 ± 0.9 million years (Rooney et al. 2018, replacing an earlier 742 ± 6 million years), rhenium-osmium 757.0 ± 6.8 million years on organic-rich carbonate and 751.0 ± 7.6 million years on marcasite nodules, and argon-argon 764 ± 8 million years on the same nodules.  The article uses these determinations as a cross-check on one another in a thirty-metre stratigraphic slice of the Chuar Group. ↩ ↩

  67. 67.

    Thurston, Olivia G. et al.  “Zircon (U-Th)/He thermochronology of Grand Canyon resolves 1250 Ma unroofing at the Great Unconformity and <20 Ma canyon carving.”  Geology 50(2):222–226.  2022.  Page 222:  “the sub-Tonto Group unconformity has between 200 and 1300 Ma of time 'missing'.”  “Fault blocks of the Grand Canyon Supergroup show that the GU is a composite erosion surface that records exhumation of Proterozoic crystalline basement during several pulses of intracratonic tectonism.”  A research article in Geology, the journal of the Geological Society of America.  The authors dated how fast the basement rock under the Great Unconformity cooled, using 37 zircon grains from seven sample sites in the eastern canyon, and fed the results into computer models of the rock's heat history.  They found that the main cooling of the basement happened 1300 to 1250 million years ago, and that the canyon itself was carved in the last 20 million years.  The article uses it because the time missing at the Great Unconformity varies from place to place. ↩

  68. 68.

    Keller, C. Brenhin et al.  “Neoproterozoic glacial origin of the Great Unconformity.”  PNAS 116(4):1136–1145.  2019.  Section Abstract:  The abstract says that the isotope excursions and the unconformity.  “can together be explained by spatially heterogeneous Neoproterozoic glacial erosion totaling a global average of 3-5 vertical kilometers.”  A research paper that ties the Great Unconformity to glacial erosion during the Neoproterozoic ice ages, the "snowball Earth" episodes.  The authors used oxygen and hafnium isotope measurements in zircon crystals and a model of the space that glacial erosion would have created.  The article cites it as the statement of one side in the dispute over how the unconformity formed. ↩

  69. 69.

    Flowers, Rebecca M. et al.  “Diachronous development of Great Unconformities before Neoproterozoic Snowball Earth.”  Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 117(19):10172–10180.  2020.  Section Abstract:  “Our results provide evidence that most erosion below the Great Unconformity in Colorado occurred before the first Neoproterozoic Snowball Earth and therefore cannot be a product of glacial erosion.  We propose that multiple Great Unconformities developed diachronously and represent regional tectonic features rather than a synchronous global phenomenon.”  A research article in the journal of the National Academy of Sciences.  The authors mapped the Pikes Peak granite in Colorado, dated the sandstone bodies forced into it, and used helium dates from zircon crystals to argue that the rock was at the surface before the Snowball Earth glaciation.  The article uses it as one side of a live dispute over whether the Great Unconformity was made by global glaciation or by regional tectonics. ↩

  70. 70.

    Peak, Barra A. et al.  “Zircon (U-Th)/He thermochronology reveals pre-Great Unconformity paleotopography in the Grand Canyon region, USA.”  Geology 50(3):e544.  2022.  Page e544:  “The Comment by Karlstrom et al. (2022) … makes false statements about our work and presents time-temperature (t-T) models that should not be interpreted because of invalidation by basic Grand Canyon geology … Reliable interpretations cannot be drawn from a model that is irreconcilable with geologic facts.”  The most recent synthesis, by Thurston and colleagues in the GSA Bulletin in 2024, finds "two regional basement unroofing events … A ca. 1350-1250 Ma cooling event … and a second cooling episode … between ca. 600 Ma and 500 Ma."  A Forum Reply in Geology, the authors' answer to a Forum Comment by Karlstrom, Guenthner, Thurston, Heizler, Ricketts and Timmons (Geology 50(3):e543, doi:10.1130/G49843C.1) on their 2021 paper.  The reply defends a fault-controlled model for the origin of the Great Unconformity in Grand Canyon, and it argues that the comment's thermal-history models cannot be reconciled with the geology.  The article uses it as one side of a dispute in which each team calls the other's models geologically impossible. ↩

  71. 71.

    Mitchell, Stephen, and Kennen S. Tillman.  “Tonto Depositional Processes and Rates.”  Peaceful Science.  Aug 15, 2024.  Computing from Snelling's own model:  “The Tapeats Sandstone would have averaged approximately 9-30 m/day (28-100 ft/day).  When we include the Bright Angel and Muav formations, the average increases a bit to 11-34 m/day … These rates can actually be expressed as averaging 0.5 to 1.4 m/hour (1.5-4.6 ft/hour)!”  They also raise a sediment-source problem that cuts against the Flood model from an unexpected direction: carbonate and evaporite are chemical precipitates, not eroded debris, and a bigger flood does not make more of them.  The second part of the series Examining Young Earth Creation Claims About the Grand Canyon.  It tests the Cambrian Tonto Group rocks of the Grand Canyon against Andrew Snelling's young-earth flood model, taking his own figures and turning them into rates.  The article uses the arithmetic for the rate that the Flood model implies, 0.5 to 1.4 metres per hour. ↩

  72. 72.

    Austin, Steven A., and Andrew A. Snelling.  “Discordant Potassium-Argon Model and Isochron 'Ages' for Cardenas Basalt (Middle Proterozoic) and Associated Diabase of Eastern Grand Canyon, Arizona.”  Proceedings of the Fourth International Conference on Creationism, 35–52.  1998.  Page 35:  “a new fourteen-point K-Ar isochron 'age' of 516 ± 30 Ma which is strongly discordant with the published Rb-Sr isochron 'age' of 1.07 ± 0.07 Ga for Cardenas Basalt.”  A conference paper by Steven Austin of the Institute for Creation Research and Andrew Snelling of Answers in Genesis.  It adds thirteen new potassium-argon analyses to nine published ones from Grand Canyon's Proterozoic basalt and diabase, and reports a fourteen-point isochron that gives a much younger date than the rubidium-strontium age that geologists widely accept.  The article uses it as the first of two creationist papers that date Grand Canyon rock by radioactive methods and get results far from the accepted ages. ↩

  73. 73.

    Isaac, Randy.  “Assessing the RATE Project.”  Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith 59(2):143–146.  Jun 2007.  Page 144:  “Discordances are not at all unusual and the source of discordance is not always understood but these fail to invalidate the vast amount of concordance.  Furthermore, no argument is presented why differences of 15% would justify the claim that radioisotope dating is in error by a factor of one million or more.”  An essay review, in the journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, of the second volume of Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (2005), the final report of the Institute for Creation Research's RATE project, an eight-year program to test radioisotope dating.  Its author is a physicist, Randy Isaac, who is executive director of the American Scientific Affiliation.  The review notes that the RATE researchers concede more than 500 million years' worth of decay, and it argues that their isochron discordances do not show that radioisotope dating is wrong.  The article uses it for the reviewer's point that no argument shows a 15 per cent difference justifies an error of a factor of one million or more. ↩

  74. 74.

    Morris, John D.  “The Channeled Scablands.”  Acts & Facts 40(10):15.  Institute for Creation Research.  2011.  Its closing question is:  “If this much damage resulted from a large but local failed lake flowing over a corner of the continent, what damage could be expected from the great Flood of Noah's day?”  An Institute for Creation Research article that treats the Channeled Scablands, the flood-carved coulees of eastern Washington, as an analogue for the Flood of Noah's day.  It is accurate about Bretz and correct that the coulees are cut in hard basalt, but it does not say why that basalt was cheap to cut or how many floods it took.  The article takes its closing question as the one its own answer has to meet. ↩

  75. 75.

    Brand, Leonard R.  “Variations in salamander trackways resulting from substrate differences.”  Journal of Paleontology 70(6):1004–1010.  1996.  Section Abstract:  “The positions and orientations of the toe marks were distorted if the animals were walking underwater or on sloped, damp sand.”  An experiment that made 230 trackways of the western newt Taricha torosa across ten combinations of sediment, slope and moisture.  The article uses it for Brand's own finding about where the distorted toe marks come from. ↩

  76. 76.

    Brand, Leonard, and Arthur Chadwick.  Faith, Reason, & Earth History: A Paradigm of Earth and Biological Origins by Intelligent Design.  Berrien Springs: Andrews University Press.  3rd edition.  2018.  A book by two authors that argues intelligent design accounts for Earth's history and the origin of living things.  The article uses it because Brand concedes in it that the sedimentary evidence seems to point to wind-blown sand, a conflict he says he cannot reconcile with the trackways.

    1. 76a.

      Page 474:  “The trackways have features that seem virtually impossible to explain unless they were made with the animals completely underwater, while the sedimentary evidence, as interpreted by sedimentologists, seems to point to wind-blown sand.  This seeming contradiction indicates there are some unknown pieces of the puzzle that remain to be discovered.” ↩

  77. 77.

    Snelling, Andrew A., and Tom Vail.  “When and How Did the Grand Canyon Form?”  The New Answers Book 3, chapter 18, 175–191.  Answers in Genesis.  Dec 9, 2014.  “As creationists, we do not have all the answers.  In fact, there are many unanswered questions when it comes to the formation of the Grand Canyon … It is unclear as to why the waters would have eroded the course they appear to have taken … Some creationists attribute the formation of the canyon almost solely to the breaching of the dams, while others see the receding of the Flood waters to be the main carving mechanism.  It is suggested here that combining the strengths of both models best explains the evidence.”  The same chapter gives the Great Denudation as.  “around 100,000 cubic miles (400,000 cubic km)”.  Fifty times Brown's "at least 2,000 cubic miles" for the same erosion event, a published disagreement of fifty-fold inside young-earth geology that neither source addresses.  A chapter in a book of creationist answers, posted online by Answers in Genesis on 9 December 2014.  Its teaching is an explicit hybrid: sheet erosion, then channelised flow, then dam breach.  The admission is worth quoting in full.  The article uses it because the chapter admits in print that creationists do not have all the answers. ↩